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Old 07-07-2020, 04:30 PM
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Iím going to fumble my way though another 12 bolt build, and will update here from time to time. Once, I get some pictures resized, Iíll get some new info up.

So, Iím searching around for info and stumbled onto this
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Tom assembled and tuned my first posi. Also installed the ring gear. I did check the bolt torque. This time, Iíll have to watch his videos on YouTube. Iíve got to figure out how much (or little) the carrier needs to be clearanced, as that was done too by Tom on the previous one.

I was really interested in the Mark Williams stuff until I realized I was way too invested in the 12 bolt stuff to change now.
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Wow, lot's of drama. Sounds like the guy lost a ton of $

I am unfamiliar with the 12 bolt conversion. What is the advantage? Are the parts still available to do this?
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Old 07-08-2020, 09:09 PM
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Wow, lot's of drama. Sounds like the guy lost a ton of $

I am unfamiliar with the 12 bolt conversion. What is the advantage? Are the parts still available to do this?
Gary is the expert. He is a member here. He has some threads at DC and maybe even here. I think having someone build one is around $5000. Van Steel sells them and some parts (thanks to Ozgreen for reminding me).

Pappy said he has one for sale.

Tom’s still sells the kits, but for how long is anyone’s guess.

Good news is it looks like all the spider gears are hardened, rumor was Tom ran out, but the ones I got look seriously hardened. I was going to post some photos of what Tom did for me 7 years ago (posi assembly and tuning) and what I have now.

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One of Garyís builds:

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Old 07-23-2020, 01:30 AM
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I finally burned out on home improvements, trying to get back on the cars.




The gears she sent. They look hardened to me. Tom had charged me a very reasonable amount and built and tuned my first posi. Luckily he has two videos on YouTube detailing the steel clutch posi tuning.

Got a drain plug installed and milled the sides for 1350 inner axles. The big axles only come in a kit from VS, so I got VS 1350 inners. I’ll use them to fill the holes on the spare or gin up adapters.



The lady at Tom’s said they are out of 30 spline inners, but have 17 spline. I’ve checked all the parts and the kit looks complete, plus lots of extra shims for the steel clutches! I just grabbed the VS 1350’s as they were reasonable and who knows when they are gone too.

Hey, any vettemod layers: is it fair use to upload a pdf that is from a magazine article that is 30 or 40 yrs old? I actually have one with all the dimensions shown from the shop prior to Tom’s.

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Moving this from the fender flare hack thread.

Got the TA pulled, the bushings were kind of bulged, but look okay. They are on the jack stand beside the trailing arm.

I ordered two qa1 spherical bearings, 1.125 in dia., YPB-8T. ID of TA end is 1.1, but powder coated. They are rated as 25000 lb.

That’s dust on the ta.



The smallest Johnny joint was 1.5 in ID.

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I ordered two sizes, same dia, but standard and high misalignment.



Went with the standard. These are my bushing/adapters.



Need to clamp the ta to the mill and take 30 thou off the radius about 1.25 inches down.

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How will you retain these in the trailing arm?
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How will you retain these in the trailing arm?
The plan is to use a boring bar to open it up to 1.185. I may or may not put a thin metal sleeve on the inside. That one would be tig welded. The sleeve on the other side would be interference fit with a couple of set screws.

It is 1.1” Id (with powder coat), I don’t know if a 40 thou shoulder is enough. Maybe with tight fit. In not an inside sleeve before boring won’t be too hard.

I’m going to pull the other side before cutting on the TA. The bushings bulged on both side, I guess my contact area was too small.

I really like your solution on the johny joint, but I’m just trying to cut as little as possible.

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