Thinking about fuel cooler

[denpo]

Just one random thought.
On a performance vendor site I saw some apparatus to cool fuel, using dry ice "intercooler"

As a nerd, I was thinking about doing this with a Peltier cooler.
Check out of curiosity, and... yes, somebody already applied a patent for this, jeez, people today.
Someone did this, or know someone who did it?
Has it's basically drawing power from the alternator to get more from the gas, do you think it's could even be profitable?

See, that's what's happen when nerds start knowing a (very) little about engines.:bonkers:

 

[TimAT]

Just one random thought.
On a performance vendor site I saw some apparatus to cool fuel, using dry ice "intercooler"

As a nerd, I was thinking about doing this with a Peltier cooler.
Check out of curiosity, and... yes, somebody already applied a patent for this, jeez, people today.
Someone did this, or know someone who did it?
Has it's basically drawing power from the alternator to get more from the gas, do you think it's could even be profitable?

See, that's what's happen when nerds start knowing a (very) little about engines.:bonkers:

For engines that see only 1/4 mile drag strip use, a fuel cooler might help- maybe. But remember- fuel has to atomize to be used in the cylinder, and heat helps with atomization(vapor)
If you're going to use something to cool anything that's driven from the alternator, feed the engine with the cold and dry air. COld dry air has a higher density.

 

[mrvette]

:clap:

Yes, this is a super move, you really need to chill the fuel in.....



CANADAprrtt::shocking:

 

[mrvette]

Just one random thought.
On a performance vendor site I saw some apparatus to cool fuel, using dry ice "intercooler"

As a nerd, I was thinking about doing this with a Peltier cooler.
Check out of curiosity, and... yes, somebody already applied a patent for this, jeez, people today.
Someone did this, or know someone who did it?
Has it's basically drawing power from the alternator to get more from the gas, do you think it's could even be profitable?

See, that's what's happen when nerds start knowing a (very) little about engines.:bonkers:

For engines that see only 1/4 mile drag strip use, a fuel cooler might help- maybe. But remember- fuel has to atomize to be used in the cylinder, and heat helps with atomization(vapor)
If you're going to use something to cool anything that's driven from the alternator, feed the engine with the cold and dry air. COld dry air has a higher density.

:shocking: Replumb the a/c evap into some coils in the cooler can the fuel runs through, that way the a/c can cool the fuel without you using any ice....

:clap:

 

[phantomjock]

Gene - you might be on to something here - perpetual motion:
Replumb the a/c evap into some coils in the cooler can the fuel runs through, that way the a/c can cool the fuel without you using any ice....
SO, let's see the A/C uses HP (more than a bit) - and the gains we get from increased density are - SMALL by comparison...so, I guess NOT!
Small weight of ice in a cooler - for short-term use: the weight as a fraction of the near 3000 pounds car - is small - very small.
I'd guess the peliter cooler would barely chill the intake air - unless very LARGE.
Back to the drawing boards!

Cheers - Jim

 

[mrvette]

Gene - you might be on to something here - perpetual motion:
Replumb the a/c evap into some coils in the cooler can the fuel runs through, that way the a/c can cool the fuel without you using any ice....
SO, let's see the A/C uses HP (more than a bit) - and the gains we get from increased density are - SMALL by comparison...so, I guess NOT!
Small weight of ice in a cooler - for short-term use: the weight as a fraction of the near 3000 pounds car - is small - very small.
I'd guess the peliter cooler would barely chill the intake air - unless very LARGE.
Back to the drawing boards!

Cheers - Jim

Fizz iks maybe not my first course in HS, but even I no dat mutch....

:rofl::rofl::drink::gurney:

 

[Ralphy]

Put mayonnaise in the tin can! Better yet, feed the tuna mayonnaise!

Hmmm...
http://www.process-controls.com/techsales/Nex_Flow/adjustable_spot_cooler.htm

 

[Imo Apita]

Wow..learned a little something here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_cooling

I've got an idea. Northern regions of Canada is pretty much perma frost right?
So you could make a lot of money selling this Canadian perma frost.
Just ship bits of soil that can be put in fuel cans and they'll be cold forever!
Idea...?:1st:

 

[mrvette]

:clap: I successfully derailed Denpo's thread......:1st::beer::shocking:

 

[denpo]

Wow..learned a little something here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_cooling

I've got an idea. Northern regions of Canada is pretty much perma frost right?
So you could make a lot of money selling this Canadian perma frost.
Just ship bits of soil that can be put in fuel cans and they'll be cold forever!
Idea...?:1st:

Glad you did learn something new, Peltier coolers are well known in the computer/electronic world. Not very energy efficient but small and no moving part. Some cars come nowadays with refrigerated can compartment, this is a Peltier cooler that does the job.

For your idea, I'm applying for a patent ASAP, "Permafuel" sound like a good product name :mobeer::huh:

:clap: I successfully derailed Denpo's thread......:1st::beer::shocking:

Well, not really. This what an out-of-curiosity post and all it was asking for was wild rants. Mission accomplished.:harhar::friends:

 

[Imo Apita]

Well, not really. This what an out-of-curiosity post and all it was asking for was wild rants.

Well, you know we love you Denpo........:twitch:...in a non-sexual sort of way.....:thumbs:


Just some trivia:
The Concorde supersonic airplane actually used fuel to cool the fuselage.
This aircraft, similar to the SR-71 Blackbird would physically grow during flight because of the temperature rise caused by air friction.
One of the reasons why the windows are so small in the Concorde, fuel lines run between them.
Reassuring for passengers; "Ladies and gentleman..today you will be travelling in a pressurized aluminum tube cooled by fuel at twice the speed of sound...":crap: