Am I the only one...

[clutchdust]

that doesn't see the two pilots that overflew MSP is really that big a deal? I mean, sure they screwed up and should be reprimanded but the FAA is talking about pulling their licenses. So far as I've heard, nobody was in danger, so correct me if that's not true. Besides, they're talking about overshooting by 100 miles, in a jet liner that's only about 10-12 minutes. I know there have been times I was on a job and lost track of time for 10-12 minutes and never blinked.
So, again, I'm operating under the impression nobody was in danger. But I'm thinking some time off without pay and maybe a demotion. But I think yanking their license is a bit much.

 

[73 Mike]

I was thinking along the same lines initially but then heard and thought of a few things that have convinced me otherwise.

First of all, if there was any kind of fuel issue, they may have been forced to make an emergency landing. That's never good. There was also the very real risk that should the FAA have thought that the plane was hyjacked, they may have shot it down. In this case, it probably helped that terrorists don't know about Wisconsin so there was no urgency to act. I'm also sure that there are a bunch of air traffic controllers that had to change their pants after this one.

The real issue of their not paying attention was that a million things could be happening in the surrounding airspace and they would not have been able to act on them. You simply can't afford to stop paying attention. The risk may not have been large, but my guess is that FAA will make an example of these two.

 

[clutchdust]

Just heard the FAA suspended their license so you're right about the example thing. I agree with some of your concerns but there are some other things I think kind of offset that. For one, I'm pretty sure their low fuel warning light would have given them enough warning to find a place in the event they had a fuel issue. As for shooting them down, I'm pretty sure the F-16 pilots might have done a flyby or two to get their attention prior to lighting them up. As for the ATC people, well, you're probably right there. I think a lot of the deal is people pissed off because they got scared shitless about another 9/11.
No doubt they need some type of punishment, but to pull their means of livelihood? I still think it's a bit much.

 

[TimAT]

I just read that they did get their licenses pulled.

FWIW: They were flying an Airbus. That thing will ding, whistle, yelp, blink, and snort if it's not happy about any system that's gone south (or going). The thing that surprises me is that when the setup the flight profile in the MCDU (multifunction control/display unit) and activated it is that when they arrived at the point for top of descent, the Flight mangement system didn't automatically begin the descent, followed by the "ding" for altitude change., But if they left the system in the heading hold/altitude hold mode it would just follow the route programming. There again, when it ran off the end of the programmed route, it should have "dinged" at them. Something smells a little like fish.

 

[DWncchs]

These guys really did screw up but I agree slap the taste out of their mouth's don't pull their license.
It could be they will take the opportunity to move out the older better paid pilots for the younger lower paid pilots.

 

[DWncchs]

I just read that they did get their licenses pulled.

FWIW: They were flying an Airbus. That thing will ding, whistle, yelp, blink, and snort if it's not happy about any system that's gone south (or going). The thing that surprises me is that when the setup the flight profile in the MCDU (multifunction control/display unit) and activated it is that when they arrived at the point for top of descent, the Flight mangement system didn't automatically begin the descent, followed by the "ding" for altitude change., But if they left the system in the heading hold/altitude hold mode it would just follow the route programming. There again, when it ran off the end of the programmed route, it should have "dinged" at them. Something smells a little like fish.

Publicity stunt to bring attention to ????? .

 

[73 Mike]

As for shooting them down, I'm pretty sure the F-16 pilots might have done a flyby or two to get their attention prior to lighting them up.

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That's probably true. If you've ever been in a commercial jet when the fighters fly by, you can still hear them from inside the plane. I imagine that if a fighter jock wants to get their attention, he probably could.

 

[mrvette]

I just read that they did get their licenses pulled.

FWIW: They were flying an Airbus. That thing will ding, whistle, yelp, blink, and snort if it's not happy about any system that's gone south (or going). The thing that surprises me is that when the setup the flight profile in the MCDU (multifunction control/display unit) and activated it is that when they arrived at the point for top of descent, the Flight mangement system didn't automatically begin the descent, followed by the "ding" for altitude change., But if they left the system in the heading hold/altitude hold mode it would just follow the route programming. There again, when it ran off the end of the programmed route, it should have "dinged" at them. Something smells a little like fish.

HUmm....Airbus eh?? well, THAT is another can of worms....

:crap:

 

[clutchdust]

Pretty sure Tim knows what the hell he's talking about. Something smells fishy, I just don't understand a motive.

These guys really did screw up but I agree slap the taste out of their mouth's don't pull their license.
It could be they will take the opportunity to move out the older better paid pilots for the younger lower paid pilots.

I think this is the real answer. Or at least a high probability of accuracy.

As for shooting them down, I'm pretty sure the F-16 pilots might have done a flyby or two to get their attention prior to lighting them up.

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That's probably true. If you've ever been in a commercial jet when the fighters fly by, you can still hear them from inside the plane. I imagine that if a fighter jock wants to get their attention, he probably could.

Just the mental picture I have of these two knuckleheads jumping out of their skin when an F-16 burns their windscreen makes me :lol:

 

[big2bird]

that doesn't see the two pilots that overflew MSP is really that big a deal? I mean, sure they screwed up and should be reprimanded but the FAA is talking about pulling their licenses. So far as I've heard, nobody was in danger, so correct me if that's not true. Besides, they're talking about overshooting by 100 miles, in a jet liner that's only about 10-12 minutes. I know there have been times I was on a job and lost track of time for 10-12 minutes and never blinked.
So, again, I'm operating under the impression nobody was in danger. But I'm thinking some time off without pay and maybe a demotion. But I think yanking their license is a bit much.

TWO people, BOTH in charge of a planefull of lives, BOTH broke the safety rules, even eliminating the redundentcy of safety rules. CAN 'em.:wink:

 

[Beagle 1]

No doubt they need some type of punishment, but to pull their means of livelihood? I still think it's a bit much.[/QUOTE


I think they are getting off easy.
If I or any of my familly had been on that plane, I would be screaming like crazy to the FAA and the airline co.
These are suposed to be professional people. This is not a case of a cab driver missing a turn and going a few blocks out of the way.
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!!

 

[BangkokDean]

I believe the air traffic controllers tried to contact them but they had turned off the in coming sound??? What if there was a plane in there path and the ground could not reach them to give a warning. Too many time after going threw the crash wreckage they find the pilots were not paying attention. Taking there license is a small cost in order to keep the public safe.:

 

[whinny]

i only heard a bit on news the other day, didnt hear the full story but i got the impression a couple were having sex in the cock pit????

Am i wrong in thinking along these lines???
russ
later gator

 

[Twin_Turbo]

That's what I was thinking too..there was some poop stomping and pole smoking going on there....

 

[TimAT]

I worked for Northwest for a little better than 5 years. I know for a fact there was a DC-9 Captain that was born "HE" and dressed as "SHE". Add that to "ANGLE", Association of Northwest Gay and Lesbian Employees, and you really do have to worry about what goes on around there. The company was so intent on being PC and not offending anyone it was unreal.

 

[mrvette]

I worked for Northwest for a little better than 5 years. I know for a fact there was a DC-9 Captain that was born "HE" and dressed as "SHE". Add that to "ANGLE", Association of Northwest Gay and Lesbian Employees, and you really do have to worry about what goes on around there. The company was so intent on being PC and not offending anyone it was unreal.

:crap: Well, ain't THAT just peachy keen and reASSuring to hear.....:crutches:

 

[Jclgodale3]

That's what I was thinking too..there was some poop stomping and pole smoking going on there....

for 38 or so minutes? What? 25 minutes to "lube up"? Naw...had to be a female flight attendant involved.

 

[mike76c3]

that doesn't see the two pilots that overflew MSP is really that big a deal? I mean, sure they screwed up and should be reprimanded but the FAA is talking about pulling their licenses. So far as I've heard, nobody was in danger, so correct me if that's not true. Besides, they're talking about overshooting by 100 miles, in a jet liner that's only about 10-12 minutes. I know there have been times I was on a job and lost track of time for 10-12 minutes and never blinked.
So, again, I'm operating under the impression nobody was in danger. But I'm thinking some time off without pay and maybe a demotion. But I think yanking their license is a bit much.

I don't think just because nothing bad ended up happening means that it wasn't dangerous. They were out of touch with the ground for more than an hour (70-something minutes according to reports so far). That's definitely dangerous. I can't imagine any pilot just being "non-attentive" or "distracted" for that long a time within the U.S., nor can I imagine that safety equipment and procedures would allow that to happen without the pilots purposely turning off or otherwise disabling it.

My guess would be that the licences being pulled was as much to do with how they handled the situation afterwards -- not being immediately upfront about what happened, and instead coming up with some lame excuse about staring at a laptop for more than an hour :bs:

Mike

 

[clutchdust]

Now I haven't heard anything about 1hr+. I just keep hearing they overshot by 100 miles or so. I figure with a cruising speed of around 500 knots, that's in the 10-12 minute range. There does seem to be a discrepancy.

 

[DWncchs]

Last night one of the reports said they were out of contact for 91 minutes.
I'm still waiting to hear an explanation that makes sense. The pole smoking I could believe , I don't buy the puter thing.