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Your in court because you didn't have the balls to admit you were guilty and take what was coming to you. Now your going to be found guilty because I had to get up at 6am to go in for jury duty .... Let's hear em and hang em

Hey Obama why don't you make you government payed employees (outta work bums) do this instead of makin me miss out on my 250.00 a day?
 
Jeff,
Please keep this in mind. One of the great things about America is that when accused, you are to be judged by a jury of your peers. Yes it is an inconvenience for an individual once in a while to serve on a jury. But would you not want an impartial jury of your peers to judge you if you were accused, rightly or wrongly, of something?
I have served on a couple of juries, one the defendant was obviously guilty, just trying to get out of his rap. We found him guilty. The other, the charges had too much doubt as to their validity and the circumstances of the alledged crime as presented by the accusing party were too shaky. We found the defendant not guilty in that case.
I have also been called 4 or more times as an 'expert witness' due to my job, and two cases I testifed for the defendant who was later found not guilty and two cases for the plaintiff where the defendant was found to be guilty.
Jury duty can be very interesting and educational. It is just one of the small sacrifices we should feel honored to 'suffer' because we are fortunate enough to live in America.
Go with an open mind.

John

PS: And please, Obama and government employees have absolutely nothing to do with nothing about this.
 
I walked in whistling the old tune from 'Hang 'em High'.....

they sent me home.....


:yahoo:
 
Your in court because you didn't have the balls to admit you were guilty and take what was coming to you. Now your going to be found guilty because I had to get up at 6am to go in for jury duty .... Let's hear em and hang em

Hey Obama why don't you make you government payed employees (outta work bums) do this instead of makin me miss out on my 250.00 a day?

Real simple solution. Take yourself off the voting rolls.
 
"Jury duty is an honor and a priveledge."

So is kissing my ass.

I hate jury duty. It is a major inconvenience and a major expense. I also lose several hundred dollars in income if I am asked to serve as a juror. What is even more insulting is the $15.00 for "reimbursement" that they give you - I throw the check in the trash. Most times you hang around for 3/4 of the day and then they send you home - fuck that shit - I don't go anymore.:lol:
 
Your in court because you didn't have the balls to admit you were guilty and take what was coming to you. Now your going to be found guilty because I had to get up at 6am to go in for jury duty .... Let's hear em and hang em

Hey Obama why don't you make you government payed employees (outta work bums) do this instead of makin me miss out on my 250.00 a day?

Real simple solution. Take yourself off the voting rolls.

They get your name from the driver/motor vehicle registration records.
 
I don't like it anymore than anyone, but I'm with John on this. You have to consider if the tables were turned, and just do your duty. It's not like you were drafted and sent to Iraq, it's just a few days/weeks, and your done.
 
Everytime I get called, it seems like I'm in another part of the world. I suspect that I'd never make the cut anyway- those that can be proven guilty should receive the maximum punishment. And if it's drug related offense, my opinion is they should be permanently fixxed. A .22 would do nicely. Then all they need to do is dig a hole and roll 'em in.
 
I'm all for doing my duty, but what happens when someone misses two or three days of work, and they miss out on the pay. then they struggle to pay the bills...they get behind on payments, possibly defaulting on them....they starting stacking up late payments and credit card percentages jump to the "you were one day late so it's increasing to 29.99%" interest rate, quickly growing the overall debt.

I think we need a better system. I don't know that I have the answer, but I understand the hardship it brings people to be there and lose time at work.
 
I'm all for doing my duty, but what happens when someone misses two or three days of work, and they miss out on the pay. then they struggle to pay the bills...they get behind on payments, possibly defaulting on them....they starting stacking up late payments and credit card percentages jump to the "you were one day late so it's increasing to 29.99%" interest rate, quickly growing the overall debt.

I think we need a better system. I don't know that I have the answer, but I understand the hardship it brings people to be there and lose time at work.


Jury selection takes an hour, trial in a couple daze, take a day to render verdict.....take the worst offenders out back and cap them without any notice, to make room for the incoming on a as needed basis for room, close about 1/2 the jails/prisons.....

too many lawyers outta work, too damn bad, so sad....cry me a river....

Trials start about two months after arrest and charges.....enough time for DNA to be processed....

CASE CLOSED.....


:crutches::flash:
 
I'm all for doing my duty, but what happens when someone misses two or three days of work, and they miss out on the pay. then they struggle to pay the bills...they get behind on payments, possibly defaulting on them....they starting stacking up late payments and credit card percentages jump to the "you were one day late so it's increasing to 29.99%" interest rate, quickly growing the overall debt.

I think we need a better system. I don't know that I have the answer, but I understand the hardship it brings people to be there and lose time at work.


Jury selection takes an hour, trial in a couple daze, take a day to render verdict.....take the worst offenders out back and cap them without any notice, to make room for the incoming on a as needed basis for room, close about 1/2 the jails/prisons.....

too many lawyers outta work, too damn bad, so sad....cry me a river....

Trials start about two months after arrest and charges.....enough time for DNA to be processed....

CASE CLOSED.....


:crutches::flash:

I agree....especially when there is DNA, or some other definite evidence. With certain crimes, such as against children, the criminal should be executed. I'm tired of paying for rapists and murderers to eat, sleep and workout.

Not to mention that the jail system does nothing to help criminals. It gives them a better life than on the streets! I think it encourages crime. If I was living on the street, with no money or food....and robbing a store would either get me:

A) I get away with the money I stole and get to eat

B) I get caught and thrown in jail, and get to eat

...why not rob the store?!?!
 
I'm all for doing my duty, but what happens when someone misses two or three days of work, and they miss out on the pay. then they struggle to pay the bills...they get behind on payments, possibly defaulting on them....they starting stacking up late payments and credit card percentages jump to the "you were one day late so it's increasing to 29.99%" interest rate, quickly growing the overall debt.

I think we need a better system. I don't know that I have the answer, but I understand the hardship it brings people to be there and lose time at work.


Jury selection takes an hour, trial in a couple daze, take a day to render verdict.....take the worst offenders out back and cap them without any notice, to make room for the incoming on a as needed basis for room, close about 1/2 the jails/prisons.....

too many lawyers outta work, too damn bad, so sad....cry me a river....

Trials start about two months after arrest and charges.....enough time for DNA to be processed....

CASE CLOSED.....


:crutches::flash:

I agree....especially when there is DNA, or some other definite evidence. With certain crimes, such as against children, the criminal should be executed. I'm tired of paying for rapists and murderers to eat, sleep and workout.

Not to mention that the jail system does nothing to help criminals. It gives them a better life than on the streets! I think it encourages crime. If I was living on the street, with no money or food....and robbing a store would either get me:

A) I get away with the money I stole and get to eat

B) I get caught and thrown in jail, and get to eat

...why not rob the store?!?!

They do that shit outta boredom, they got the .gov to cover all their basics....sect 8 housing, AFDC, SSDI, food stamps....so lay around all day doing drugs, destabilizing Mexico as a result, and enable/encourage illegals to take the jobs that were done by them....

:smash::cussing:
 
I'm all for doing my duty, but what happens when someone misses two or three days of work, and they miss out on the pay. then they struggle to pay the bills...they get behind on payments, possibly defaulting on them....they starting stacking up late payments and credit card percentages jump to the "you were one day late so it's increasing to 29.99%" interest rate, quickly growing the overall debt.

If you are truly that close to the edge of financial ruin, you can plead hardship and they will release you from your duty.
 
I'm all for doing my duty, but what happens when someone misses two or three days of work, and they miss out on the pay. then they struggle to pay the bills...they get behind on payments, possibly defaulting on them....they starting stacking up late payments and credit card percentages jump to the "you were one day late so it's increasing to 29.99%" interest rate, quickly growing the overall debt.

If you are truly that close to the edge of financial ruin, you can plead hardship and they will release you from your duty.

Well, I lucked out after spending 5 hours there and my panel was released. Then being my work is 15 minutes from there went into work for 10 hours and got paid 8 hours for jury duty and 195 for working so even though dead tired today made good money lol. But did find a sure way out off getting out of jury duty everytime.
 
I'm all for doing my duty, but what happens when someone misses two or three days of work, and they miss out on the pay. then they struggle to pay the bills...they get behind on payments, possibly defaulting on them....they starting stacking up late payments and credit card percentages jump to the "you were one day late so it's increasing to 29.99%" interest rate, quickly growing the overall debt.

If you are truly that close to the edge of financial ruin, you can plead hardship and they will release you from your duty.

How close you are to the edge is subjective. Maybe it won't cause financial ruin...maybe just heartache. Maybe it can snowball into a missed opportunity, an unwarranted choice affecting your mental well being, or maybe even as simple as having to say no to your child when they ask if they can be on the basketball team but you can't afford the tuition. Any number and/or degree of sacrifice should be made for the good of our country, but should it be made just so that you can decide whether a criminal will be let loose to commit another crime, or just placed in an institution that you (as the law biding citizen) pay for....to feed and shelter the criminal, until the criminal comes out to do it again? Ok, I know that was a long sentence...

Point is, there are issues that need to be fixed before I will be willing to make sacrifices. My sacrifices hookahs go to supporting our terribly executed judicial system.
 
I ain't got the time or patience, or especially MONEY to support FAILURE.....

pardon my evil old damn ASS....

eff em....forever.....
 
How close you are to the edge is subjective. Maybe it won't cause financial ruin...maybe just heartache. Maybe it can snowball into a missed opportunity, an unwarranted choice affecting your mental well being, or maybe even as simple as having to say no to your child when they ask if they can be on the basketball team but you can't afford the tuition. Any number and/or degree of sacrifice should be made for the good of our country, but should it be made just so that you can decide whether a criminal will be let loose to commit another crime, or just placed in an institution that you (as the law biding citizen) pay for....to feed and shelter the criminal, until the criminal comes out to do it again? Ok, I know that was a long sentence...

Point is, there are issues that need to be fixed before I will be willing to make sacrifices. My sacrifices hookahs go to supporting our terribly executed judicial system.

Wah wah wah. My kid's gonna miss basketball-to hell with that guys entire life, I need to pay for basketball practice for my spoiled kids. "Sacri-fucking-fices" in the name of "justice" for others than me. It has flaws but I'd rather seek true justice in America than most other countries on this Earth.
OK so what happens when your teenage son is walking home late one night after basketball practice and some guys he knows from school pull over and offer him a lift and he gets in the car which is then pulled over by the cops and they are busted for the armed robbery of the 7/11 where the cashier was shot which the others just pulled? True fact: happened to a friend of mine. He did 5 years in Huntsville. He was a 24 year old convicted felon when he got out. (He's a black man (or Mexican, or rag head or alky or dope fiend or whatever punk du jour you don't like), oh, no wonder. musta been guilty, they all are, huh?**)
You gonna want a bunch of pissed off whiny jurors who walk in to your son's trial whistling 'Hang Em High' and don't give a shit about any stupid little trifles like evidence or testimony or extenuating circumstances, or god forbid actually having to think and weigh potentials: all they wanna do is hang the little bastard 'criminal' (your son) and get back to making their living to pay for baskeball practice. Or hot rod car parts. Hell, just shoot him with a .22 in the back of the head in a stadium its cheaper than rope and more fun to watch on a weekend afternoon with a beer & nachos in your hand. Gyolly, I'd pay a days wages just to watch that, yep I would.
I believe in the death penalty for more than it is currently used for--but more importantly I believe in swift justice--and those are the keywords---'swift' (not drawn out by lawyers for profit) and 'justice' (not knee-jerk revenge but thoughtful, deserved justice.) Too many actual criminals get off---but its lawyers who buy them off for profit. A jury of thoughtful peers can make a profound difference to a life which may yet well have good potential.

Yeah, it always goes wrong sometimes, we are but fallible humans. If it was you, or your loved one, which way would you prefer? Knee jerk reaction to accusation, or thoughtful deliberation of evidence?

**I met Dock (yes 'Dock' with a k) at the Long Beach Naval Shipyard where he was one of the most honest hardworking respectable men I have ever met. Straight out of prison he joined the Army. Almost lost a leg in Viet Nam from a mortar shell but they saved it and he walks with a limp but that never stopped him and he never ever whined about it. "Shit happens, John. Learn from it, shut up, and get on with life."


Wah wah wah You all got a million excuses for your thought patterns and prejudices. That too is a fact of life. Me too, I have my thoughts & prejudices and because they are mine, I see them as truth. Deal with it: "I ain't gonna change you and I ain't gonna save you." Oh I know that one so well, I'm so sad to say.

Why are you whining about a few days of missed work if the accused whose case you are to help decide is actually INNOCENT and he has been in jail for weeks or months? What about his "income", his life, his family? "Heartache"."A missed opportunity"'"An unwarranted choice"
Oh that's right, he was caught in a situation--therefor he must be guilty, let's don't waste no time thinking, just kill him. It ain't me, after all.
God forbid YOU ever get "caught in a situation". Yeah yeah yeah, I know, "I would never do anything wrong." Shit all you gotta do is have a bicyclist smash into your car on a dark rainy night, or someone slip & fall on your sidewalk in the snow (I know that one!!)--and you may well be in a "situation" the likes of which you never dreamed..
I'm proud to be an ACLU supporting citzen because they also defend so many of your (OUR!!!) rights which you don't even know about because they are not splashed in the media unless they cross your particular ideas of "liberty" and "freedom". Or prejudice. If that makes me a scum-sucking "liberal" in your eyes, then so be it.

But goddamit, jury duty is an honor that any true American will """suffer""" with honor, dignity and AN OPEN MIND.

OK, I've been ranting in my typical way on and on. Let me leave you with a little 'thought exercise'.

Me and Gene and Turtle are all looking at the same object.
I see a rectangle.
Gene sees a circle.
Turtle sees a section of a radius.(he's a fuckin engineer--it ain't a curve, its a fuckin section of radius)
Who is telling the truth, and so therefore by deduction who is lying? We are all looking at the same object.

So what is truth? And what is fact?

We are looking at a cut out section of exhaust pipe on a bench from different angles.

Gene looks at the end and sees a circle.
I look from the side and see only the rectangle.
Turtle looks from above and sees a section of radius.
We all are telling the truth, but the fact is more than that.

The opposite of a fact is a falsehood, but the opposite of a truth may well be another truth.
 
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you're getting way to creberal for this crowd.

just remember Obama sucks and the dot gov is out to get you and you'll fit in just fine.
 
How close you are to the edge is subjective. Maybe it won't cause financial ruin...maybe just heartache. Maybe it can snowball into a missed opportunity, an unwarranted choice affecting your mental well being, or maybe even as simple as having to say no to your child when they ask if they can be on the basketball team but you can't afford the tuition. Any number and/or degree of sacrifice should be made for the good of our country, but should it be made just so that you can decide whether a criminal will be let loose to commit another crime, or just placed in an institution that you (as the law biding citizen) pay for....to feed and shelter the criminal, until the criminal comes out to do it again? Ok, I know that was a long sentence...

Point is, there are issues that need to be fixed before I will be willing to make sacrifices. My sacrifices hookahs go to supporting our terribly executed judicial system.

Wah wah wah. My kid's gonna miss basketball-to hell with that guys entire life, I need to pay for basketball practice for my spoiled kids. "Sacri-fucking-fices" in the name of "justice" for others than me. It has flaws but I'd rather seek true justice in America than most other countries on this Earth.
OK so what happens when your teenage son is walking home late one night after basketball practice and some guys he knows from school pull over and offer him a lift and he gets in the car which is then pulled over by the cops and they are busted for the armed robbery of the 7/11 where the cashier was shot which the others just pulled? True fact: happened to a friend of mine. He did 5 years in Huntsville. He was a 24 year old convicted felon when he got out. (He's a black man (or Mexican, or rag head or alky or dope fiend or whatever punk du jour you don't like), oh, no wonder. musta been guilty, they all are, huh?**)
You gonna want a bunch of pissed off whiny jurors who walk in to your son's trial whistling 'Hang Em High' and don't give a shit about any stupid little trifles like evidence or testimony or extenuating circumstances, or god forbid actually having to think and weigh potentials: all they wanna do is hang the little bastard 'criminal' (your son) and get back to making their living to pay for baskeball practice. Or hot rod car parts. Hell, just shoot him with a .22 in the back of the head in a stadium its cheaper than rope and more fun to watch on a weekend afternoon with a beer & nachos in your hand. Gyolly, I'd pay a days wages just to watch that, yep I would.
I believe in the death penalty for more than it is currently used for--but more importantly I believe in swift justice--and those are the keywords---'swift' (not drawn out by lawyers for profit) and 'justice' (not knee-jerk revenge but thoughtful, deserved justice.) Too many actual criminals get off---but its lawyers who buy them off for profit. A jury of thoughtful peers can make a profound difference to a life which may yet well have good potential.

Yeah, it always goes wrong sometimes, we are but fallible humans. If it was you, or your loved one, which way would you prefer? Knee jerk reaction to accusation, or thoughtful deliberation of evidence?

**I met Dock (yes 'Dock' with a k) at the Long Beach Naval Shipyard where he was one of the most honest hardworking respectable men I have ever met. Straight out of prison he joined the Army. Almost lost a leg in Viet Nam from a mortar shell but they saved it and he walks with a limp but that never stopped him and he never ever whined about it. "Shit happens, John. Learn from it, shut up, and get on with life."


Wah wah wah You all got a million excuses for your thought patterns and prejudices. That too is a fact of life. Me too, I have my thoughts & prejudices and because they are mine, I see them as truth. Deal with it: "I ain't gonna change you and I ain't gonna save you." Oh I know that one so well, I'm so sad to say.

Why are you whining about a few days of missed work if the accused whose case you are to help decide is actually INNOCENT and he has been in jail for weeks or months? What about his "income", his life, his family? "Heartache"."A missed opportunity"'"An unwarranted choice"
Oh that's right, he was caught in a situation--therefor he must be guilty, let's don't waste no time thinking, just kill him. It ain't me, after all.
God forbid YOU ever get "caught in a situation". Yeah yeah yeah, I know, "I would never do anything wrong." Shit all you gotta do is have a bicyclist smash into your car on a dark rainy night, or someone slip & fall on your sidewalk in the snow (I know that one!!)--and you may well be in a "situation" the likes of which you never dreamed..
I'm proud to be an ACLU supporting citzen because they also defend so many of your (OUR!!!) rights which you don't even know about because they are not splashed in the media unless they cross your particular ideas of "liberty" and "freedom". Or prejudice. If that makes me a scum-sucking "liberal" in your eyes, then so be it.

But goddamit, jury duty is an honor that any true American will """suffer""" with honor, dignity and AN OPEN MIND.

OK, I've been ranting in my typical way on and on. Let me leave you with a little 'thought exercise'.

Me and Gene and Turtle are all looking at the same object.
I see a rectangle.
Gene sees a circle.
Turtle sees a section of a radius.(he's a fuckin engineer--it ain't a curve, its a fuckin section of radius)
Who is telling the truth, and so therefore by deduction who is lying? We are all looking at the same object.

So what is truth? And what is fact?

We are looking at a cut out section of exhaust pipe on a bench from different angles.

Gene looks at the end and sees a circle.
I look from the side and see only the rectangle.
Turtle looks from above and sees a section of radius.
We all are telling the truth, but the fact is more than that.

The opposite of a fact is a falsehood, but the opposite of a truth may well be another truth.

Well there is no arguing opinions since most don't sway their opinions based on other's opinions, but I will say this. I don't have the answers. If it's an innocent kid who got mixed up with the wrong crowd, I think the kid would deserve a jury of peers. But that doesn't fix the problem. It's not usually an innocent kid.

And by the way, Gene, the turtle, and you, should be the ones attending jury duty....you all obviously don't have anything better to do than sit there a look at an exhaust pipe! :)

Oh one more thing, guns don't kill people....people kill people! (ripple, ripple)
 

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