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Those idiots deserve what they got...

I ONLY care about the Corvette, and it's survival....I wonder if that is possible under .gov motors....

I think it's dead....

:huh::banned:
 
Those idiots deserve what they got...

I ONLY care about the Corvette, and it's survival....I wonder if that is possible under .gov motors....

I think it's dead....

:huh::banned:

I care. I have a lot of former (engineering) co-workers there. There's a lot of sharp guys there, who have to put up with the silliness and inefficiencies that management instills and tolerates. Perhaps a short bankruptcy experience will be analogous to a 2 by 4 to the head for a few of the union and management types.
 
Those idiots deserve what they got...

I ONLY care about the Corvette, and it's survival....I wonder if that is possible under .gov motors....

I think it's dead....

:huh::banned:

I care. I have a lot of former (engineering) co-workers there. There's a lot of sharp guys there, who have to put up with the silliness and inefficiencies that management instills and tolerates. Perhaps a short bankruptcy experience will be analogous to a 2 by 4 to the head for a few of the union and management types.

U think for a microsecond the vette survives this green weenie run .gov??? get REAL man....Nader and company have hated the automobile and the freedom it allows for some 45 years now...it's about control, and they won the battle, back door, but they arranged things so the car culture is about dead, and the vette is the premier symbol of that, like GM.....so you can't really imagine the vette surviving this CAN you, honestly???

:oh:
 
Those idiots deserve what they got...

I ONLY care about the Corvette, and it's survival....I wonder if that is possible under .gov motors....

I think it's dead....

:huh::banned:

I care. I have a lot of former (engineering) co-workers there. There's a lot of sharp guys there, who have to put up with the silliness and inefficiencies that management instills and tolerates. Perhaps a short bankruptcy experience will be analogous to a 2 by 4 to the head for a few of the union and management types.

U think for a microsecond the vette survives this green weenie run .gov??? get REAL man....Nader and company have hated the automobile and the freedom it allows for some 45 years now...it's about control, and they won the battle, back door, but they arranged things so the car culture is about dead, and the vette is the premier symbol of that, like GM.....so you can't really imagine the vette surviving this CAN you, honestly???

:oh:

???????? I never mentioned Corvette. I was addressing your title statement. I CARE ABOUT GM and its survival.

Chill, Gene.
 
I hope GM survives through this problem. A whole lot of people will be out of a job if they don't.
 
as much as i really don't like ford, i have to give those guys credit where GM is just a little piglet sucking on mamma's tit. i really wish GM had gone down the same road as ford. how much you want to bet that in 10 years it won't be the "big three", it's going to be the "big one"? ford will be the only American car company left that has any sizable share of the market. and as much as i hate to say it, it serves them right. GM has been screwed for over 20 years, they just had enough market to hide how bad it was until the economy goes to shit. now we'll all see.
as for killing corvette, you can bet your ass corvette is as good as dead. don't know how much longer but i'd wager a paycheck it doesn't survive the first (oh dear god i hope the only) four years of the presidential impostor.
 
It's a shame that people are lining up to turn their backs on GM. GM has been supplying us with the cars we wanted to buy for years. We had an economic decline with a simultaneous increase in fuel prices. Now fuel prices are low (compared to worldwide prices) but we don't have any money.

So, in true American style, we have focused our energy on identifying just who is responsible for our problems rather than doing something about them. And, have identified GM as the culprit because (years ago) they didn't see the future economic collapse and increase in fuel prices! Jeeez, get a crystal ball GM.

So are they guilty? Maybe they are guilty of providing us with the cars we wanted and guilty of their inability to see into the future.

It doesn't really matter what the problem is as long as we identify the guilty. So, take that GM! As Gene would say, case closed.
 
It's a shame that people are lining up to turn their backs on GM. GM has been supplying us with the cars we wanted to buy for years. We had an economic decline with a simultaneous increase in fuel prices. Now fuel prices are low (compared to worldwide prices) but we don't have any money.

So, in true American style, we have focused our energy on identifying just who is responsible for our problems rather than doing something about them. And, have identified GM as the culprit because (years ago) they didn't see the future economic collapse and increase in fuel prices! Jeeez, get a crystal ball GM.

So are they guilty? Maybe they are guilty of providing us with the cars we wanted and guilty of their inability to see into the future.

It doesn't really matter what the problem is as long as we identify the guilty. So, take that GM! As Gene would say, case closed.

OK, lemme rephrase that, I CARE about GM, but it's a useless effort that this point, the damn green weenies have won.....only thing worth salvaging outta that company today is the vette, all the rest is who cares....OK??

:eek::smash:
 
It does seem fortuitous Ford that borrowed as much as they did when they could; and starting to restructure earlier than GM & Chrysler.

It should be noted that if one of the the big three go bankrupt, then the other two will follow; the restructuring under bankruptcy protection can so remake the business (ie getting out from/modifying UAW contracts, pension liabilities and medical benefits etc etc) that the bankrupt automaker would have a huge advantage over the survivors.

"Nader and company have hated the automobile and the freedom it allows for some 45 years now...it's about control, and they won the battle, back door, but they arranged things so the car culture is about dead, and the vette is the premier symbol of that, like GM..."
Really?? such a statement is incredible. Nader organized this?

"I ONLY care about the Corvette, and it's survival....I wonder if that is possible under .gov motors...." seems to miss the point that without .gov motors, it, (corvette & GM) would already be dead.
Really, politics and personal opinions aside, if your going to make an argument/express an opinion, at least make one that makes at least a little sense.
The big three's market share have been dropping for decades, there's nothing new here, just a crisis that was due sooner or later. During the crisis, changes will be made and life will go on. Don't give any one party/person the credit or blame for any of it, it just is.
 
It does seem fortuitous Ford that borrowed as much as they did when they could; and starting to restructure earlier than GM & Chrysler.

It should be noted that if one of the the big three go bankrupt, then the other two will follow; the restructuring under bankruptcy protection can so remake the business (ie getting out from/modifying UAW contracts, pension liabilities and medical benefits etc etc) that the bankrupt automaker would have a huge advantage over the survivors.

"Nader and company have hated the automobile and the freedom it allows for some 45 years now...it's about control, and they won the battle, back door, but they arranged things so the car culture is about dead, and the vette is the premier symbol of that, like GM..."
Really?? such a statement is incredible. Nader organized this?

Well, yes, he is the first very popular individual to spawn hatred of the automobile, and GM in particular, his 'movement' spawned the green weenie movement, and so every cry baby needing a job has flocked to that silliness, while the rest of us can walk for all they care....
but Nader as a individual was just a spark, more like it is a movement coming out of commie dominated universities....liberal thought tanks....




"I ONLY care about the Corvette, and it's survival....I wonder if that is possible under .gov motors...." seems to miss the point that without .gov motors, it, (corvette & GM) would already be dead.
Really, politics and personal opinions aside, if your going to make an argument/express an opinion, at least make one that makes at least a little sense.
The big three's market share have been dropping for decades, there's nothing new here, just a crisis that was due sooner or later. During the crisis, changes will be made and life will go on. Don't give any one party/person the credit or blame for any of it, it just is.

The liberals and weenies have been working to kill the automobile in this country for some many decades now....see NADER above.....

they hate the CAR and it's suburban enabling life style, too much freedom and independence for them to obtain and exercise control over, people who can MOVE at the drop of a hat will not be controlled easily....

people who live in .gov sponsored apartments CAN....

so they invent a fuel crisis timed just perfectly a year ago to force many home foreclosures from mainly folks who should not have had houses in the first place....lack of affordability.....SO taking apart the weaker family budgets with tripling the prices on the ONE commodity any advanced society depends on...FUEL/OIL and limiting the production of same, well....so we got out polyticked all the way along the line....

IF you can't see the convergence of all these seemingly unrelated problems that are almost totally self generated by the liberals/commies/green weenie bastards then you must be blind.....

so Tell George Soros I think he needs to be killed by the first assassin with the nutz.....

:beer:
 
It's a shame that people are lining up to turn their backs on GM. GM has been supplying us with the cars we wanted to buy for years. We had an economic decline with a simultaneous increase in fuel prices. Now fuel prices are low (compared to worldwide prices) but we don't have any money.

So, in true American style, we have focused our energy on identifying just who is responsible for our problems rather than doing something about them. And, have identified GM as the culprit because (years ago) they didn't see the future economic collapse and increase in fuel prices! Jeeez, get a crystal ball GM.

So are they guilty? Maybe they are guilty of providing us with the cars we wanted and guilty of their inability to see into the future.

It doesn't really matter what the problem is as long as we identify the guilty. So, take that GM! As Gene would say, case closed.
you're totally missing the point. GM made some really stupid decisions that got them into this position. some of those decisions were made 20 or 30 years ago. some were made 2 or 3 years ago.
as for not supporting GM, i don't support any company that is a wholy owned subsidiary of the gov. while GM isn't there yet, it's close enough that the private interest has no control and once they cut their losses, it will be. i don't care if the ONLY car produced is the corvette, if .gov owns controlling interest i'd rather see it die like it deserves. the world will be a better place.
 
It's a shame that people are lining up to turn their backs on GM. GM has been supplying us with the cars we wanted to buy for years. We had an economic decline with a simultaneous increase in fuel prices. Now fuel prices are low (compared to worldwide prices) but we don't have any money.

So, in true American style, we have focused our energy on identifying just who is responsible for our problems rather than doing something about them. And, have identified GM as the culprit because (years ago) they didn't see the future economic collapse and increase in fuel prices! Jeeez, get a crystal ball GM.

So are they guilty? Maybe they are guilty of providing us with the cars we wanted and guilty of their inability to see into the future.

It doesn't really matter what the problem is as long as we identify the guilty. So, take that GM! As Gene would say, case closed.
you're totally missing the point. GM made some really stupid decisions that got them into this position. some of those decisions were made 20 or 30 years ago. some were made 2 or 3 years ago.
as for not supporting GM, i don't support any company that is a wholy owned subsidiary of the gov. while GM isn't there yet, it's close enough that the private interest has no control and once they cut their losses, it will be. i don't care if the ONLY car produced is the corvette, if .gov owns controlling interest i'd rather see it die like it deserves. the world will be a better place.

I don't blame GM as much as the .gov for not ensuring a level playing field with overseas operations...JAPAN is the most glaring example, the daze of the cold war and supporting weaker but important industrial societies are OVER with by 20 years now, time to start some protectionism....long since....the only group of people to profit from all this import crap is the longshoremen's union for the working stiffs.....all the rest are on the street looking at their abandoned plant that USED to pay a living wage.....

It is most obvious to me for some 35 years in the DC region that Ralph Nader and the green weenies he spawned have won the war against GM and the auto companies over some fantasy land 'pollution' bullshit.....

and no one can tell me all that banking horse shit wasn't a plant started by Carter, expanded by Klinton, and now it hits the fan....then people like SOROS get into 'markets' and 'futures' fabrications and create a 'crisis' to kill the weakest homeowners into foreclosure, what is the ONE thing that they can't get along with in suburbia?? gasoline...so triple the price overnight....anyone that bought a house in the last 4-5+ years is now hurting, automatically.....self fulfilling prophesy, the liberal commies won....

so now what?? anyone ever think for a nanosecond they will NOT kill the vette?? the .gov?? they just waiting for the opportune time to make the announcement....when all the rest of the smoke clears, and the sales of the vette already down 50% they will make sure it stays that way, and come up with some reason....but the vette is dead, the green weenies HATE it,

Look into the eyes of them liberals on cap hill, tell me that Pelosi and Reid are sane, serious as Roebuck, she is a old crazed drug head, look at her, she is fried, so is Reid.....the same vacuous dead stare my nephew has, drugs laced with LSD/whatEVER, same stupid thought processes, brain fried....that's today's congressional leadership.....

and about 1/2 the population too, I may add.....

:shocking::gurney:
 
It's a shame that people are lining up to turn their backs on GM. GM has been supplying us with the cars we wanted to buy for years. We had an economic decline with a simultaneous increase in fuel prices. Now fuel prices are low (compared to worldwide prices) but we don't have any money.

So, in true American style, we have focused our energy on identifying just who is responsible for our problems rather than doing something about them. And, have identified GM as the culprit because (years ago) they didn't see the future economic collapse and increase in fuel prices! Jeeez, get a crystal ball GM.

So are they guilty? Maybe they are guilty of providing us with the cars we wanted and guilty of their inability to see into the future.

It doesn't really matter what the problem is as long as we identify the guilty. So, take that GM! As Gene would say, case closed.
you're totally missing the point. GM made some really stupid decisions that got them into this position. some of those decisions were made 20 or 30 years ago. some were made 2 or 3 years ago.
as for not supporting GM, i don't support any company that is a wholy owned subsidiary of the gov. while GM isn't there yet, it's close enough that the private interest has no control and once they cut their losses, it will be. i don't care if the ONLY car produced is the corvette, if .gov owns controlling interest i'd rather see it die like it deserves. the world will be a better place.

I don't blame GM as much as the .gov for not ensuring a level playing field with overseas operations...JAPAN is the most glaring example, the daze of the cold war and supporting weaker but important industrial societies are OVER with by 20 years now, time to start some protectionism....long since....the only group of people to profit from all this import crap is the longshoremen's union for the working stiffs.....all the rest are on the street looking at their abandoned plant that USED to pay a living wage.....

It is most obvious to me for some 35 years in the DC region that Ralph Nader and the green weenies he spawned have won the war against GM and the auto companies over some fantasy land 'pollution' bullshit.....

and no one can tell me all that banking horse shit wasn't a plant started by Carter, expanded by Klinton, and now it hits the fan....then people like SOROS get into 'markets' and 'futures' fabrications and create a 'crisis' to kill the weakest homeowners into foreclosure, what is the ONE thing that they can't get along with in suburbia?? gasoline...so triple the price overnight....anyone that bought a house in the last 4-5+ years is now hurting, automatically.....self fulfilling prophesy, the liberal commies won....

so now what?? anyone ever think for a nanosecond they will NOT kill the vette?? the .gov?? they just waiting for the opportune time to make the announcement....when all the rest of the smoke clears, and the sales of the vette already down 50% they will make sure it stays that way, and come up with some reason....but the vette is dead, the green weenies HATE it,

Look into the eyes of them liberals on cap hill, tell me that Pelosi and Reid are sane, serious as Roebuck, she is a old crazed drug head, look at her, she is fried, so is Reid.....the same vacuous dead stare my nephew has, drugs laced with LSD/whatEVER, same stupid thought processes, brain fried....that's today's congressional leadership.....

and about 1/2 the population too, I may add.....

:shocking::gurney:

I'm with you here, Gene:beer:
 
Everything they make is ugly. and i'm not that crazy about the vette either. It looks like a wedge of cheeze.

But that pretty much goes for all the other car companies too. I picked up the mustang because of the retro styling.

Its the reliability and customer service that killed the American car companies.
People buy them ugly boring ass buzz bomb Toyotas because you can run them forever without problems.
 
Everything they make is ugly. and i'm not that crazy about the vette either. It looks like a wedge of cheeze.

But that pretty much goes for all the other car companies too. I picked up the mustang because of the retro styling.

Its the reliability and customer service that killed the American car companies.
People buy them ugly boring ass buzz bomb Toyotas because you can run them forever without problems.

UNtrue, but that's the popular perception, THAT is true....

today any car doint 100k miles is a hero, shit, anything can do THAT....250k is more like it....

but sheeple dunno that....

:clobbered:
 
Everything they make is ugly. and i'm not that crazy about the vette either. It looks like a wedge of cheeze.

But that pretty much goes for all the other car companies too. I picked up the mustang because of the retro styling.

Its the reliability and customer service that killed the American car companies.
People buy them ugly boring ass buzz bomb Toyotas because you can run them forever without problems.

Some of my "Toyota" friends bought Toyota trucks in the last three years. Most of them have told me they would never buy a Toyota again.:flash:
 
As I walked thru the big box store parking lot yesterday I counted how many imports vs. US made cars were in the lot. By the time I reached my (Ford van) car I counted 12 ricers to one domestic car. Apparently US auto makers have lost their market to the competition.
 
As I walked thru the big box store parking lot yesterday I counted how many imports vs. US made cars were in the lot. By the time I reached my (Ford van) car I counted 12 ricers to one domestic car. Apparently US auto makers have lost their market to the competition.

When I left town 12 years ago, in the WASH DC area, about 10% or LESS of the cars on the road were American badges.....

:crutches: Down here, it's about 50-50.....:flash::mad:
 
UNtrue, but that's the popular perception, THAT is true....

today any car doint 100k miles is a hero, shit, anything can do THAT....250k is more like it....

but sheeple dunno that....

:clobbered:

The world according to Gene again. Toyota built up to be bigger than GM on a misnomer. I guess the whole world is full of shit.
 

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