Managed to piss off a bunch of C4 ZR-I guys at CFOT

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69427

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I'm getting the serious hate over at CFOT at the moment. :amused: There were several guys essentially exclaiming how their ZR-1 is the fastest and meanest supercar ever built. I asked a simple question: If this car is so fast, why don't any ZR-1 owners ever take their car out on a road course and see how it does against other cars? (I mentioned that, in the three decades that I've been doing track days, I've only seen two ZR-1s ever show up.) A couple guys posted videos of their car on a drag strip (or driving like an asshole on a backwoods country road), but I said I was talking about competing with Porsches and BMWs (and an antique Corvette), not hanging out with late 60's Camaros.

Took a break to go work out in the shop for a while, but I expect they're still questioning my heritage or family tree at the moment.
 
LOL, this is good trolling.

In case you were looking for an answer, I think it's because the car is too rare, or perceived as by the owners.
At the time they did cost Porsche money, so either you'd buy an actual Porsche and go racing or you're just buying the most expensive Corvette as an investment.
By the way, aren't LT5 parts rare and pricey?

I've read again the Wikipedia page, the reliability of this engine is just mind-blowing.
 
Its a damn shame that probably <1% of corvette (aka sports car) owners use them the intended way. Ill never understand the fascination to drag race a vette. But then again, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

A few years ago I went to the Corvette Toys for tots run in Atlantic City. They happen to have the regional SCCA there to host an open auto-x on the air strip that the event was hosted on. Out of the ~600 corvettes that showed up, maybe 20 were out on the FREE auto-x. And at that, most just took 1 run. I was able to run back to back laps for hours :toothbrush:
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denpo said:
LOL, this is good trolling.

In case you were looking for an answer, I think it's because the car is too rare, or perceived as by the owners.
At the time they did cost Porsche money, so either you'd buy an actual Porsche and go racing or you're just buying the most expensive Corvette as an investment.
By the way, aren't LT5 parts rare and pricey?

I've read again the Wikipedia page, the reliability of this engine is just mind-blowing.
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I'm curious how that investment went for most guys.
 
I have nothing positive to say about the ZR-1 owner I knew....one Douglas K. Johnson supposed one of the 'saviors' of the vette museum about 1998 or so....financial shit.....he and I met through a now defunct Corvette club here in Jax Florida.....the only reason that happened was....

that the leading vette club had NO dealer relationship, and never DID.....
so I still with I had joined the Jax Corvette club and not this other one....I am a tech head and the social shit means nothing to me.....
still to this day.....

but Doug drove hell out of his ZR1 up to the Plant and back, trying to outdoo the then new C5's with the new engines.....he had some work done on that car.....supposedly 465 hp.....but he had mucho problems......

I fixed the rear end/wheel hubs and then replaced the 6? speed trans on it....

suffice to say the man was a total crook and BS artist.....nuff said....eff him forever....he died of brain cancer years ago....deserved it, and good riddance......


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Question to you racing guys, what brand and type of car make the bulk of the racing car at events you attend to?
 
My point wasn't to stir up a hornet's nest. I'm an engineer. I respect facts and data. Show me that your car can actually do what you claim it will do. Otherwise, this just seems like a bunch of waxer types who live on emotion (my car is the prettiest and deserves a trophy, my car is such and such and deserves your respect while it spends its life as a dust magnet, etc).

I just can't understand the mindset of worshipping a car.
 
69427 said:
My point wasn't to stir up a hornet's nest. I'm an engineer. I respect facts and data. Show me that your car can actually do what you claim it will do. Otherwise, this just seems like a bunch of waxer types who live on emotion (my car is the prettiest and deserves a trophy, my car is such and such and deserves your respect while it spends its life as a dust magnet, etc).

I just can't understand the mindset of worshipping a car.
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Total agreement with you on that, BTW, do you have a link to that thread, I can't seem to spot it.....??
 
mrvette said:
69427 said:
My point wasn't to stir up a hornet's nest. I'm an engineer. I respect facts and data. Show me that your car can actually do what you claim it will do. Otherwise, this just seems like a bunch of waxer types who live on emotion (my car is the prettiest and deserves a trophy, my car is such and such and deserves your respect while it spends its life as a dust magnet, etc).

I just can't understand the mindset of worshipping a car.
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Total agreement with you on that, BTW, do you have a link to that thread, I can't seem to spot it.....??
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It's in Off Topic, titled, IIRC, Congratulations C4 ZR-1.
 
69427 said:
My point wasn't to stir up a hornet's nest. I'm an engineer. I respect facts and data. Show me that your car can actually do what you claim it will do. Otherwise, this just seems like a bunch of waxer types who live on emotion (my car is the prettiest and deserves a trophy, my car is such and such and deserves your respect while it spends its life as a dust magnet, etc).

I just can't understand the mindset of worshipping a car.
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me either - Corvettes were made to go fast, outside of that, they're pretty terrible daily transportation...

of course, all this explains why none of us fit in on the "other" corvette forum... I got trolled by someone who thought I should rebuild my 75 L48 Corvette into a stock car... good heavens why?

in an unrelated note, I got a chance to drive a 75 L82 that someone wanted to trade for my truck - wow, it was quite a learning experience to feel/see/drive where my car started... too often people don't realize how awesome their car is because they're afraid of damaging it and/or destroying value through modification
 
With the track monitoring during the run, it's obvious about the stats.....

BUT, I have to note that the instruments in my '72 were once 'calibrated' by tire diameters/ratios/etc....and proven RONG when I bought a GPS which I believe.....so it makes me wonder if some 20 years later GM is up to the same tricks.......my car is dead nutz accurate NOW to 80 mph which GPS says it's only 78, when my speedo says 100 mph, GPS says 94 mph.... ran outta room, so test over......

I took a digital audio oscillator to the HEI tach side with the GM sending unit not connected, and turned on the key, drove it with a old TV horizontal output transistor.....and proved the tach reading to be accurate to about 2500 rpm then got grossly optimistic over the range so much so that it was an added 4-600 rpm on the way up to 6000 rpm.....

so GM designed my old ~76? shark electronic tach and '72 speedo to be optimistic......interesting.....:crutches:
 
Maybe you can win them back over if you seem interested in drifting. Another useless form IMO.

Ralphy
 
If you buy a ZR-1,or the C7 Z06, do you get a complementary two day visit to Spring Mountain, Nevada for performance training? If you have a supercharged late model Corvette, their two day training class is $3900 if you don't get GM factory sponsorship. I think their training classes for the base engine cars about about $2500. For exact details, just google Spring Mountain.
 
i know someone with a lingenfelter ZR-1 and that is a neat car. i look to see them become a curiosity more than a valuable collectable.
with that said i fall out quickly with the later model owners, people that add chrome taped on trim to a car just aren't car guys. none of those types have a clue what a corvette is. they know people have said Vettes are cool and think by owning the latest and greatest they to will be cool. generally they are misfits with low self esteem.
i dont have anything to prove to anyone with a c4 and up, I've been faster than the vast majority of them will ever go and driven cars down a Dragstrip way quicker than any c7 corvette. i wax mine and keep it clean its certainly show ready all the time, but it is because i enjoy mine. a new set of drag radials is evidence that i intend to use mine in a way a real Vette owner should
 
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