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Belgian1979vette

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I just read that the green weenies over here are going to come out with a new law that makes us pay a tax per km that we ride with our cars.

They absolutly must be crazy, with the auto-industry and transportindustry as deep in trouble as they already are.

Well, maybe time to choose another hobby...:suicide:
 
They've been talking about that for years here too, still not implemented because of registration/logging problems and what not.

I hope they do however, fair system pay per km instead of a fixed amount based on vehicle weight. How about paying 150$ road tax a month for a car you hardly use? imagine having more than 1 car, having to pay tax over all of them. Can't drive 2 cars at the same time...in the meantime all those fuckers w/ the company cars drive for free, personal miles too.
 
Twin_Turbo said:
They've been talking about that for years here too, still not implemented because of registration/logging problems and what not.

I hope they do however, fair system pay per km instead of a fixed amount based on vehicle weight. How about paying 150$ road tax a month for a car you hardly use? imagine having more than 1 car, having to pay tax over all of them. Can't drive 2 cars at the same time...in the meantime all those fuckers w/ the company cars drive for free, personal miles too.
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Yeh, we pay some ~500/year insurance plus 45/year tags.....but the trick is....when I turned age 65, my insurance company wanted 800/year for the vette alone, I went Haggerty for insurance....too bad they not over there.....325/year WITH comp/collision....something the other company did not provide...JUST liability fuckers....

if the .gov wants to do that, fine, just wrap tin foil over the transponder antenna, I will do some damn thing to get around their crap....no way in hell I paying that on top of the rest of this shit....efff em forever....

and currently wife/me have 4 cars in the stable.....3/4 ton van, vette, Miata, and Escort....

but they charge like all 4 were on the road at once.....


:suicide::sos::(
 
mrvette said:
Twin_Turbo said:
They've been talking about that for years here too, still not implemented because of registration/logging problems and what not.

I hope they do however, fair system pay per km instead of a fixed amount based on vehicle weight. How about paying 150$ road tax a month for a car you hardly use? imagine having more than 1 car, having to pay tax over all of them. Can't drive 2 cars at the same time...in the meantime all those fuckers w/ the company cars drive for free, personal miles too.
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Yeh, we pay some ~500/year insurance plus 45/year tags.....but the trick is....when I turned age 65, my insurance company wanted 800/year for the vette alone, I went Haggerty for insurance....too bad they not over there.....325/year WITH comp/collision....something the other company did not provide...JUST liability fuckers....

if the .gov wants to do that, fine, just wrap tin foil over the transponder antenna, I will do some damn thing to get around their crap....no way in hell I paying that on top of the rest of this shit....efff em forever....

and currently wife/me have 4 cars in the stable.....3/4 ton van, vette, Miata, and Escort....

but they charge like all 4 were on the road at once.....


:suicide::sos::(
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Hey Gene,

Try American Collectors Car Insurance. Agreed value, full coverage, 5K miles per year for $135.00...... Car has to be over 15 years old and the driver has to have 10 years driving experience. I am sure that you meet the criteria.
http://www.americancollectors.com/


The US trucking industry would have a heart attack if they tried that here. The independent drivers are being squeezed enough already!
 
Belgian1979vette said:
I just read that the green weenies over here are going to come out with a new law that makes us pay a tax per km that we ride with our cars.

They absolutly must be crazy, with the auto-industry and transportindustry as deep in trouble as they already are.

Well, maybe time to choose another hobby...:suicide:
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Over there, isn't there a road use tax that is some percentage of the cost of gasoline? Seems like that is another tax on the same thing?

Doesn't really surprise me. "Use" taxes seem to be the new thing all over the world.
 
DeeVeeEight said:
Hey Gene,

Try American Collectors Car Insurance. Agreed value, full coverage, 5K miles per year for $135.00...... Car has to be over 15 years old and the driver has to have 10 years driving experience. I am sure that you meet the criteria.
http://www.americancollectors.com/


The US trucking industry would have a heart attack if they tried that here. The independent drivers are being squeezed enough already!
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DV8, BINGO I O U a very LARGE bottle of something, name it....I pack and send it your way....

Tank you, Tank you, Tank you very much for that tip.....I got the vette and the Miata BOTH totally covered for less then Haggerty on the vette ALONE a total annual premium of 271 bux.....

told the guy he just made a offer I can't refuse....he laughed, must be the NJ Mafia, Inc......too cheep....;)



:bounce:
 
mrvette said:
DeeVeeEight said:
Hey Gene,

Try American Collectors Car Insurance. Agreed value, full coverage, 5K miles per year for $135.00...... Car has to be over 15 years old and the driver has to have 10 years driving experience. I am sure that you meet the criteria.
http://www.americancollectors.com/


The US trucking industry would have a heart attack if they tried that here. The independent drivers are being squeezed enough already!
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DV8, BINGO I O U a very LARGE bottle of something, name it....I pack and send it your way....

Tank you, Tank you, Tank you very much for that tip.....I got the vette and the Miata BOTH totally covered for less then Haggerty on the vette ALONE a total annual premium of 271 bux.....

told the guy he just made a offer I can't refuse....he laughed, must be the NJ Mafia, Inc......too cheep....;)



:bounce:
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:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Hey Gene,

Glad I was able to help. You don't need to send me a thing. I just wish more of my cars were old enough to qualify for those rates!

:beer:
 
DeeVeeEight said:
mrvette said:
DeeVeeEight said:
Hey Gene,

Try American Collectors Car Insurance. Agreed value, full coverage, 5K miles per year for $135.00...... Car has to be over 15 years old and the driver has to have 10 years driving experience. I am sure that you meet the criteria.
http://www.americancollectors.com/


The US trucking industry would have a heart attack if they tried that here. The independent drivers are being squeezed enough already!
Click to expand...


DV8, BINGO I O U a very LARGE bottle of something, name it....I pack and send it your way....

Tank you, Tank you, Tank you very much for that tip.....I got the vette and the Miata BOTH totally covered for less then Haggerty on the vette ALONE a total annual premium of 271 bux.....

told the guy he just made a offer I can't refuse....he laughed, must be the NJ Mafia, Inc......too cheep....;)



:bounce:
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:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Hey Gene,

Glad I was able to help. You don't need to send me a thing. I just wish more of my cars were old enough to qualify for those rates!

:beer:
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Well really my '85 work truck qualifies on AGE, but I suspect they may decline if I sent them a PIX.....oh SHIT!!!!:clobbered::rolleyes::bump:
 
turtlevette said:
mrvette said:
my '85 work truck:
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since when have you ever done any work?
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for a l099 or W2 type job..??? not since early '87 or so....

home remodeling/repair is a very sporadic business, even with a list of past clients and investors.....

:harhar: recently considered selling the truck to stepson, but find he wants more of a passenger van, at 12 mpg that thing makes NO sense today....

I don't feel like paying insurance on it for something driven twice a month anymore....

:surrender: one of them quandaries damn it......

:cussing:
 
Did I miss something? The original poster of this topic didn't mention anything about insurance.
 
BBShark said:
Did I miss something? The original poster of this topic didn't mention anything about insurance.
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I treat it/think of it as sort of a road use tax.....in that having multiple vehicles I pay super high tag and then some guys have personal prop taxes, and then since I can obviously drive only ONE car at a time, and insurance is charged per vehicle.....I feel the typical motorist is taxed enough already....they pass a law, and some 'insurance' company may as well be the freeking .gov directly, we stuck with the consequences...still money out my front door on fire.....

:rain:
 
In a sense, Gene is right. As an insured driver with more than one vehicle I am paying for all of them simultaneously while I can only drive one at a time. The obvious answer to this is to insure the driver, not the vehicle but that would take too much $$$ away from the Ins. Co's.
And yes we digress from the road tax subject. The only road taxes we pay here are gas taxes, tolls and tickets.....
One of the FEW advantages to living in South Jersey is the lower fuel cost. We are probably one of the lowest in the country, but then again the condition of our roads sucks too. Gas yesterday was $2.27 a gal. for regular.
 
DeeVeeEight said:
In a sense, Gene is right. As an insured driver with more than one vehicle I am paying for all of them simultaneously while I can only drive one at a time. The obvious answer to this is to insure the driver, not the vehicle but that would take too much $$$ away from the Ins. Co's.
And yes we digress from the road tax subject. The only road taxes we pay here are gas taxes, tolls and tickets.....
One of the FEW advantages to living in South Jersey is the lower fuel cost. We are probably one of the lowest in the country, but then again the condition of our roads sucks too. Gas yesterday was $2.27 a gal. for regular.
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That IS lo, surprised, for NJ, everything there has been hysterrically higher than Faryland over the years....used to driver through there and never stop for gas on account of it....

it's cheaper than here in Jax Fl.....last I looked....

thing that is strange, Jax is the largest city in this nation...AREA wise....so the annual mileage on a typical vehicle is about twice the national average....some 20k+/year.... very common to find 5 y/0 cars on the lots at 100k+ miles.....
so talk of road taxes.....but still the typical complaints of shitty roads....

at least we not bad off as Northern Virginia, land of perpetual construction....traffic was a cluster fuck there for some 40 years I knew of, somehow methinks it's not better.....:twitch:

still have to figger a way to pay for roads, they not cheep, when some 60k lbs goes flying by every damn day 1000X over yet....

I remember a old college friend, Transportation major....wanted to form his own trucking company....or run one.....

with the onset of the interstate hwy system under construction back then, I wonder how he managed long term...probably pretty good, in the late 60's I ran into him as he owned one of the quick Camaro's on the track....

everything we buy is subject to a road tax.....one way or another....

:surrender:
 
Twin_Turbo said:
They've been talking about that for years here too, still not implemented because of registration/logging problems and what not.

I hope they do however, fair system pay per km instead of a fixed amount based on vehicle weight. How about paying 150$ road tax a month for a car you hardly use? imagine having more than 1 car, having to pay tax over all of them. Can't drive 2 cars at the same time...in the meantime all those fuckers w/ the company cars drive for free, personal miles too.
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Well TT, you know as well as I do that they never give us a taxcut on anything over here. So in the end it will only cost us more.

And what those suckers with company cars is concerned. I have my own company right now, and yes I have a car that I use like 98% for professional reason (80000 km a year). Still, the costs of this car only count in my taxes for about 60 % go figure... It's not all black and white out there, there are all shades of grey in between.
 
Of course it will cost more for 1 car but I'm hoping that with spreaded mileage I will be cheaper off, see now I have to pay taxes over all of them unless I suspend the road tax and can't drive them then. Kind of silly having to pay 100$ a month for a car you drive for maybe 1000 miles a year.

Here they are trying the screw the self employed too, they are going to tax a company registered car (if you own your own company) based on new value instead of actual. Nice! If you have a say 1999 merc SL500 worth maybe 15 grand, now you'll have to pay over 10 times that.

I was talking about the people who get a car from their work (employee not employer) and use it day in and day out for personal use.
 
Here they are trying the screw the self employed too, they are going to tax a company registered car (if you own your own company) based on new value instead of actual. Nice! If you have a say 1999 merc SL500 worth maybe 15 grand, now you'll have to pay over 10 times that.


Nah, you joking, right?? as in my '85 clapped out work truck ROAD TAXED at some 25 grand valuation as if it was a new Chebby???

gotta be a misinterpretation there ....gotta be...


:gurney::hissyfit:
 
No misinterpretation and it's already legislated, will become effective Jan 1st 2010.
 
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