Website identifying non paying customers

DeeVeeEight

DeeVeeEight

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I have often thought that a website for contractors, where they could post the names and maybe addresses of deadbeat - non paying customers is in order. Independent contractors (like me) get ripped off by their customers all the time and liberal pansy ass judges like to give away our hard work for free because they favor the consumer. Law suits are a waste of time because of the amount of time and effort involved along with the poor rate of return. If contractors had a referral site - sort of like a "beware of so and so because they don't pay their bills" - it might deter repeat offenders once their name gets around. It also could serve to warn honest business people away from potential financial loss due to deadbeat customers. The banks have their credit reporting agencies, the big companies get your social security # so they can screw you if you don't pay them - the little guys need resources too.
Gene - I am sure that you agree on this one.:thumbs:
 
DeeVeeEight said:
I have often thought that a website for contractors, where they could post the names and maybe addresses of deadbeat - non paying customers is in order. Independent contractors (like me) get ripped off by their customers all the time and liberal pansy ass judges like to give away our hard work for free because they favor the consumer. Law suits are a waste of time because of the amount of time and effort involved along with the poor rate of return. If contractors had a referral site - sort of like a "beware of so and so because they don't pay their bills" - it might deter repeat offenders once their name gets around. It also could serve to warn honest business people away from potential financial loss due to deadbeat customers. The banks have their credit reporting agencies, the big companies get your social security # so they can screw you if you don't pay them - the little guys need resources too.
Gene - I am sure that you agree on this one.:thumbs:
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That's a shame. In Kalifornia, ambiguity favors the contractor.:cool:
 
big2bird said:
DeeVeeEight said:
I have often thought that a website for contractors, where they could post the names and maybe addresses of deadbeat - non paying customers is in order. Independent contractors (like me) get ripped off by their customers all the time and liberal pansy ass judges like to give away our hard work for free because they favor the consumer. Law suits are a waste of time because of the amount of time and effort involved along with the poor rate of return. If contractors had a referral site - sort of like a "beware of so and so because they don't pay their bills" - it might deter repeat offenders once their name gets around. It also could serve to warn honest business people away from potential financial loss due to deadbeat customers. The banks have their credit reporting agencies, the big companies get your social security # so they can screw you if you don't pay them - the little guys need resources too.
Gene - I am sure that you agree on this one.:thumbs:
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That's a shame. In Kalifornia, ambiguity favors the contractor.:cool:
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Under what circumstances??

long long time ago in a land far far away, I got ripped for 850 bux, my electrician for 650, and another guy I forget what trade got hit for even more...like 1200 bux....flooring, I think....

WE called consumer affairs, and so the 3 of us met the guy and the home owners in the house.....

the homeowners stayed in the back room, WE stayed in the renovated section....this is the one with the inspector signing off on a substandard MAJOR DEFECT on OEM construction...talk of a job turning bad, THAT was it...anyway, the guy comes back in from a shouting match with the owners, and says to US very quietly....'Look, these people are NUTX and you got NO chance of getting paid'.....

we had heard most of the conversation from the kitchen area.....

looking back, I should have pulled a power play on them, and forced the RE framing of the entire second floor beams and joists....personally, I don't tend to be a prick, but this is one time I seriously think I should have been...

funny, in that some 25? years in the business, and maybe 1/2 of them really part time, I have to say that was the only job I ever seriously regretted....

that woman needed killing, I hope she dies slo....

:stirpot:
 
They also need a web-site for DEAD BEAT contractors,you know it works both ways,there are plenty of contractors who take your money and do half assed work,and dont come back and make it right,or just plane fail to finish the job.
I am sure there are plenty of people in this world that have been screwed over by contractors.
 
kwplot34 said:
They also need a web-site for DEAD BEAT contractors,you know it works both ways,there are plenty of contractors who take your money and do half assed work,and dont come back and make it right,or just plane fail to finish the job.
I am sure there are plenty of people in this world that have been screwed over by contractors.
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Here in NJ they make you pay for all sorts of licenses to "protect the consumer" from contractors like that but they do nothing to enforce the laws. If you want justice you have to pursue it yourself. Everyone gets screwed except the state. I personally take no up front money unless I have to special order materials (usually replacement windows).
I have no problem with a website for deadbeat contractors. My issue is with the people who brazenly rip off honest hard working people. They need to be EXPOSED.
 
When I was busy as batfuck doing kitchens at the rate of 2 per month up in the DC region, I would take maybe 100 bux to hold the spot on my calender, then want 1/3, 1/3, and final......

customer bought the material, I did the pickup/delivery for all but the cabinets...which were in site, stacked in the dining room on the previous Friday/weekend....I started in Monday 9 am.....kitchen trashed out by 12-1pm, electrician and plumber, if needed in my that afternoon, walls resealed by tuesday morning, base cabinets in, and countertop specs called in by tues evening....Wed was wall cab day, and finishing sheetrock, then Thursday was counter top day.....Friday was button up and outta there, the next week was detail crap, like tile backsplash/whatever.....and misc small pickup jobs, like baths and counter tops, etc.....

major bath renovations done same schedule as kitchens....

hated bathroom work, typically NO room to work IN, old standing joke....how many guys can you get in a typical bathroom and get any work done?? answer is typically ONE, so can't get your shit together.....:hissyfit::hissyfit:

a very large renovation, say gutting a entire 1200' some odd space, rebuilding walls, changing the world, that took about a month....

:hissyfit::twitch: by time I got outta those projects I was damn sick and tired of the fucking joint.....burnout....

I tried to stick to interior remodeling, something to keep the ladder work down to a minimum, the hood was mainly houses built in the 30's to 70's....so 8' ceilings, and no arky tech nitemares like here in Florida....

GOD, the quality of homes here in recent construction is SO BAD, I would not own one, period....no way Jose' no matter who built it.....

sorry, but in the land of termites, and no chlordane and leaky walls out of cracked stucco over Hardiboard,or worse yet, OSB, and 2' center 2x4 studs for exterior walls, one thing is sure, either the houses will fall down, OR there will be work forever fixing them....

My silly little house is masonry, block/stucco on slab....eat THAT termites....

:hissyfit::cussing:
 
mrvette said:
When I was busy as batfuck doing kitchens at the rate of 2 per month up in the DC region, I would take maybe 100 bux to hold the spot on my calender, then want 1/3, 1/3, and final......

customer bought the material, I did the pickup/delivery for all but the cabinets...which were in site, stacked in the dining room on the previous Friday/weekend....I started in Monday 9 am.....kitchen trashed out by 12-1pm, electrician and plumber, if needed in my that afternoon, walls resealed by tuesday morning, base cabinets in, and countertop specs called in by tues evening....Wed was wall cab day, and finishing sheetrock, then Thursday was counter top day.....Friday was button up and outta there, the next week was detail crap, like tile backsplash/whatever.....and misc small pickup jobs, like baths and counter tops, etc.....

major bath renovations done same schedule as kitchens....

hated bathroom work, typically NO room to work IN, old standing joke....how many guys can you get in a typical bathroom and get any work done?? answer is typically ONE, so can't get your shit together.....:hissyfit::hissyfit:

a very large renovation, say gutting a entire 1200' some odd space, rebuilding walls, changing the world, that took about a month....

:hissyfit::twitch: by time I got outta those projects I was damn sick and tired of the fucking joint.....burnout....

I tried to stick to interior remodeling, something to keep the ladder work down to a minimum, the hood was mainly houses built in the 30's to 70's....so 8' ceilings, and no arky tech nitemares like here in Florida....

GOD, the quality of homes here in recent construction is SO BAD, I would not own one, period....no way Jose' no matter who built it.....

sorry, but in the land of termites, and no chlordane and leaky walls out of cracked stucco over Hardiboard,or worse yet, OSB, and 2' center 2x4 studs for exterior walls, one thing is sure, either the houses will fall down, OR there will be work forever fixing them....

My silly little house is masonry, block/stucco on slab....eat THAT termites....

:hissyfit::cussing:
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??????? :huh2:
 
DeeVeeEight said:
kwplot34 said:
They also need a web-site for DEAD BEAT contractors,you know it works both ways,there are plenty of contractors who take your money and do half assed work,and dont come back and make it right,or just plane fail to finish the job.
I am sure there are plenty of people in this world that have been screwed over by contractors.
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Here in NJ they make you pay for all sorts of licenses to "protect the consumer" from contractors like that but they do nothing to enforce the laws. If you want justice you have to pursue it yourself. Everyone gets screwed except the state. I personally take no up front money unless I have to special order materials (usually replacement windows).
I have no problem with a website for deadbeat contractors. My issue is with the people who brazenly rip off honest hard working people. They need to be EXPOSED.
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The big problem,is there are just too many dishonest people any more,no mater who you are or what you do,there is somebody waiting to screw you over. We use to hang people for stealing a $10 horse. maybe we need to go back to that kind of justice.
 
mrvette said:
When I was busy as batfuck doing kitchens at the rate of 2 per month up in the DC region, I would take maybe 100 bux to hold the spot on my calender, then want 1/3, 1/3, and final......

customer bought the material, I did the pickup/delivery for all but the cabinets...which were in site, stacked in the dining room on the previous Friday/weekend....I started in Monday 9 am.....kitchen trashed out by 12-1pm, electrician and plumber, if needed in my that afternoon, walls resealed by tuesday morning, base cabinets in, and countertop specs called in by tues evening....Wed was wall cab day, and finishing sheetrock, then Thursday was counter top day.....Friday was button up and outta there, the next week was detail crap, like tile backsplash/whatever.....and misc small pickup jobs, like baths and counter tops, etc.....

major bath renovations done same schedule as kitchens....

hated bathroom work, typically NO room to work IN, old standing joke....how many guys can you get in a typical bathroom and get any work done?? answer is typically ONE, so can't get your shit together.....:hissyfit::hissyfit:

a very large renovation, say gutting a entire 1200' some odd space, rebuilding walls, changing the world, that took about a month....

:hissyfit::twitch: by time I got outta those projects I was damn sick and tired of the fucking joint.....burnout....

I tried to stick to interior remodeling, something to keep the ladder work down to a minimum, the hood was mainly houses built in the 30's to 70's....so 8' ceilings, and no arky tech nitemares like here in Florida....

GOD, the quality of homes here in recent construction is SO BAD, I would not own one, period....no way Jose' no matter who built it.....

sorry, but in the land of termites, and no chlordane and leaky walls out of cracked stucco over Hardiboard,or worse yet, OSB, and 2' center 2x4 studs for exterior walls, one thing is sure, either the houses will fall down, OR there will be work forever fixing them....

My silly little house is masonry, block/stucco on slab....eat THAT termites....

:hissyfit::cussing:
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Apparantly with that schedule you also got no inspections. :harhar:


With you cbs house, you will will be able to watch the stars at nite over your tiebeam after the termites have finished with everything else. :D
 
010752 said:
mrvette said:
When I was busy as batfuck doing kitchens at the rate of 2 per month up in the DC region, I would take maybe 100 bux to hold the spot on my calender, then want 1/3, 1/3, and final......

customer bought the material, I did the pickup/delivery for all but the cabinets...which were in site, stacked in the dining room on the previous Friday/weekend....I started in Monday 9 am.....kitchen trashed out by 12-1pm, electrician and plumber, if needed in my that afternoon, walls resealed by tuesday morning, base cabinets in, and countertop specs called in by tues evening....Wed was wall cab day, and finishing sheetrock, then Thursday was counter top day.....Friday was button up and outta there, the next week was detail crap, like tile backsplash/whatever.....and misc small pickup jobs, like baths and counter tops, etc.....

major bath renovations done same schedule as kitchens....

hated bathroom work, typically NO room to work IN, old standing joke....how many guys can you get in a typical bathroom and get any work done?? answer is typically ONE, so can't get your shit together.....:hissyfit::hissyfit:

a very large renovation, say gutting a entire 1200' some odd space, rebuilding walls, changing the world, that took about a month....

:hissyfit::twitch: by time I got outta those projects I was damn sick and tired of the fucking joint.....burnout....

I tried to stick to interior remodeling, something to keep the ladder work down to a minimum, the hood was mainly houses built in the 30's to 70's....so 8' ceilings, and no arky tech nitemares like here in Florida....

GOD, the quality of homes here in recent construction is SO BAD, I would not own one, period....no way Jose' no matter who built it.....

sorry, but in the land of termites, and no chlordane and leaky walls out of cracked stucco over Hardiboard,or worse yet, OSB, and 2' center 2x4 studs for exterior walls, one thing is sure, either the houses will fall down, OR there will be work forever fixing them....

My silly little house is masonry, block/stucco on slab....eat THAT termites....

:hissyfit::cussing:
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Apparantly with that schedule you also got no inspections. :harhar:


With you cbs house, you will will be able to watch the stars at nite over your tiebeam after the termites have finished with everything else. :D
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INterior work was not much issue, really, most homeowners had the same attitude I did, not to bother with Monkey Co Maryland at all....

I took time to do all the sketches and pull permits, my standard fee at that time, mid 80's was 350 bux....their choice....I really didn't give a damn, on the week 'off' I took a day to clear all that crap.....the inspectors in the field were pretty good about showing when wanted, so that was never a issue....

even when doing exerior major work, they showed when needed....surely the builders up the road had troubles....but then again, the Wash DC power structure lives in Monkey Co. Maryland or close in NOVA....so they got the services, if you know what I mean.....:nuts: while the rest of the country gets shit on.....:rolleyes:
 
I'm game if you guys want to set something like that up. It was only a couple a couple years ago I was bobbing by my lonesome in that great big ocean of self-employed-ness. Pretty scary thing to do, and as you all know, when you're a small operation, one "customer" that screws you can put you in the poor house over night. I got stiffed a few times but thankfully it was never for more than a few hundred dollars. Doesn't make it any easier, but it didn't put me under. I'm just glad I got out when I did. With the current economy and businesses folding like a skinny white guy in prison, I can't imagine surviving the way I did then.
Assholes don't realize or care when they take food off your table.
 
clutchdust said:
I'm game if you guys want to set something like that up. It was only a couple a couple years ago I was bobbing by my lonesome in that great big ocean of self-employed-ness. Pretty scary thing to do, and as you all know, when you're a small operation, one "customer" that screws you can put you in the poor house over night. I got stiffed a few times but thankfully it was never for more than a few hundred dollars. Doesn't make it any easier, but it didn't put me under. I'm just glad I got out when I did. With the current economy and businesses folding like a skinny white guy in prison, I can't imagine surviving the way I did then.
Assholes don't realize or care when they take food off your table.
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THAT included .gov assholes too....BTDT.....:suicide:
 
Good idea, but it's probably illegal to do something like that. And would you have it for just the contractors in one city or set it up to country wide? It could end up being a big operation. And how would you differentiate between real ripoff's and trumped up stories? For example, I refuse to pay the contractor the final payment of $100 for remodelling my bathroom because he dropped his hacksaw into my claw-foot enamel bath and scratched the shit out of it and refuses to pay for the damage HE caused. He then logs onto your website and shit lists my name...

Just my waffling...
 
I keep hearing about a site called "angies list" never checked it out but it's for reporting deadbeats. Don't know particulars or if it's nation wide ....
 
It does work both ways, and the real crooks--on both sides--know how to manipulate the system.
A friend in Reno, Nv., once framed a mansion for a lawyer. OK, big red flag right there (lawyer). Anyway, a 11,000 sq ft house on acreage, multi level, etc. Deal was 3 draws, when 40% complete, 80% complete, and complete. First 2 draws went OK. but when the job was complete and they asked for the final payment, the lawyer said he wasn't going to pay them. They offered to fix anything that was wrong or whatever, but the lawyer said that they didn't understand. There was nothing wrong, he just wasn't going to pay them. So, of course, 1 of the partners who happened to be a big goon proceded to threaten him. Go ahead said the lawyer. Not only will you not get paid, but I'll have you arrested and imprisoned for a couple of years, I'll sue you and evict your family from their house, etc. And, if you sue me, I'll drag it out for years.
That stopped them in their tracks. The lawyer then offered to give them 10% instead of the 20% owed, if they signed off the contract.
They eventually took the money.
Turns out, this guy did this to most of the contractors.
A few years later, I read in the paper that this house burned down under misterious circumstances. I figured it was someone that he had screwed.
Eventually, the lawyer was indited for arson and insurance fraud.
This guy had probably gotten away with this kind of stuff for years.
 
Beagle 1 said:
It does work both ways, and the real crooks--on both sides--know how to manipulate the system.
A friend in Reno, Nv., once framed a mansion for a lawyer. OK, big red flag right there (lawyer). Anyway, a 11,000 sq ft house on acreage, multi level, etc. Deal was 3 draws, when 40% complete, 80% complete, and complete. First 2 draws went OK. but when the job was complete and they asked for the final payment, the lawyer said he wasn't going to pay them. They offered to fix anything that was wrong or whatever, but the lawyer said that they didn't understand. There was nothing wrong, he just wasn't going to pay them. So, of course, 1 of the partners who happened to be a big goon proceded to threaten him. Go ahead said the lawyer. Not only will you not get paid, but I'll have you arrested and imprisoned for a couple of years, I'll sue you and evict your family from their house, etc. And, if you sue me, I'll drag it out for years.
That stopped them in their tracks. The lawyer then offered to give them 10% instead of the 20% owed, if they signed off the contract.
They eventually took the money.
Turns out, this guy did this to most of the contractors.
A few years later, I read in the paper that this house burned down under misterious circumstances. I figured it was someone that he had screwed.
Eventually, the lawyer was indited for arson and insurance fraud.
This guy had probably gotten away with this kind of stuff for years.
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I know a couple of folks I"m taking down with me....

nuff said....

same shit...:cussing::eek:
 
clutchdust said:
I'm game if you guys want to set something like that up. It was only a couple a couple years ago I was bobbing by my lonesome in that great big ocean of self-employed-ness. Pretty scary thing to do, and as you all know, when you're a small operation, one "customer" that screws you can put you in the poor house over night. I got stiffed a few times but thankfully it was never for more than a few hundred dollars. Doesn't make it any easier, but it didn't put me under. I'm just glad I got out when I did. With the current economy and businesses folding like a skinny white guy in prison, I can't imagine surviving the way I did then.
Assholes don't realize or care when they take food off your table.
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My sentiments exactly :thumbs:
 
saudivette said:
Good idea, but it's probably illegal to do something like that. And would you have it for just the contractors in one city or set it up to country wide? It could end up being a big operation. And how would you differentiate between real ripoff's and trumped up stories? For example, I refuse to pay the contractor the final payment of $100 for remodelling my bathroom because he dropped his hacksaw into my claw-foot enamel bath and scratched the shit out of it and refuses to pay for the damage HE caused. He then logs onto your website and shit lists my name...

Just my waffling...
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I have had it happen to me - some guy gets pissed off on the highway - sees the name on my truck and bad mouths me on the internet - I have no recourse - it is his freedom of speech. I have the same rights - I can tell the world my opinion of someone just as long as I keep it non-threatening.

I would like to set it up so that it could be for contractors only. You would have to register your user name just like here, then list your customer by State or Country, name, town, dollar amount you got ripped off for and a short commentary. Of course there would be the necessary legal mumbo jumbo stating that the website is not responsible for the opinions of it's members....:D

Hey Marck! Wanna drop me a pm?
 
Beagle 1 said:
It does work both ways, and the real crooks--on both sides--know how to manipulate the system.
A friend in Reno, Nv., once framed a mansion for a lawyer. OK, big red flag right there (lawyer). Anyway, a 11,000 sq ft house on acreage, multi level, etc. Deal was 3 draws, when 40% complete, 80% complete, and complete. First 2 draws went OK. but when the job was complete and they asked for the final payment, the lawyer said he wasn't going to pay them. They offered to fix anything that was wrong or whatever, but the lawyer said that they didn't understand. There was nothing wrong, he just wasn't going to pay them. So, of course, 1 of the partners who happened to be a big goon proceded to threaten him. Go ahead said the lawyer. Not only will you not get paid, but I'll have you arrested and imprisoned for a couple of years, I'll sue you and evict your family from their house, etc. And, if you sue me, I'll drag it out for years.
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Sounds like LAUSD.:D
 
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