Choices,choices machine work more expensive then expected
- Thread starter Imo Apita
- Start date
Imo Apita
Well-known member
- Joined
- Feb 28, 2009
- Messages
- 244
Yeah I thought that was funny too.
I think I'm going to ask the guy my money back since he didn't mention hot honing my block.
Oh..wait a moment, neither did you.
Funny since you seem to be an expert in the field.
Nope, hot-honing is not on there.
Funny that it's mentioned here:
http://www.circletrack.com/techarticles/cylinder_block_honing/index.html
and here:
http://www.aa1car.com/library/plateau_finish.htm
and here:
http://www.enginebuildermag.com/Article/1087/has_hot_honing_cooled_off.aspx
Here is some really good reading by the way:
http://www.aera.org/ep/downloads/ep11/EP07-2010_42-48.pdf
Now wait just one moment....Sunnen makes one, didn't they tell you?
Maybe you should buy this one for your shop:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Hot-Hone-Sunnen...047?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41577032b7
Or this one:
http://www.c-ktechnologies.com/images/hothone.pdf
Then you can tell everybody that their block is shi-ite since they didn't hot hone.
Now stop being an @ss about these things, play nice and I'll let you answer some of my other questions....:kissass:
CNC BLOCKS
Well-known member
Problem with hot honing no one would pay for that service as that not cheap!!! We did look into it but after being at a shop that was set up I would have to put in a ventalation system because the hot honing oil stinks so bad.
Right now we are not having any ring seal issue probabaly cause we are using a good hone not a cheap one Our leak down tests after a season or two on circle track engines run right at 2% on the average. Our breather always seem to run dry on the wet sump engines.
Call Mike Lewis at http://www.lewisracingengines.com/ he actually had a block come that having blow by issues that another shop hot honed and Mike went .005 over new pistons seemed to cure the customers problems engine runs fine. But give him a call he can fill you in on how good hot honing is from experiance!!!!
I think we figured out to set the shop up and time to set to hone each block we would have to charge 500 to 600 dollars to hone a block and I am sure you would not pay that much to have a block hot honed. I am sure the customer would feel it in his wallet then feel extra power in the seat of his pants.
That the big problem no one wants to pay for anything like this and to be truthful I think the jury is still out on hot honing and the experiance Mike Lewis saw I am not sold on it as of yet.
We have put vacume pump on our engines as guys say they pick up to 20 horse we have only seen 4 to 6 horse I say we have no ring seal issues!!!
For now our engines seem to run very well and we are not seeing any ring seal issues at all we are not seeing problems in the department that being said I am not changing anything right now as myself and my customers see to be vey happy with the results they are getting!!!!
Here is one of engines that came out of our shop that went to CA and has been running for 2 years leaked it down last week number were really good going to just change valve springs and run it another year.
http://www.performanceboats.com/html/forums/showthread.php?t=48619
Pulled off 3 championships last year and one was a big meet.
http://www.performanceboats.com/html/forums/showthread.php?t=74748
Last edited:
Imo Apita
Well-known member
- Joined
- Feb 28, 2009
- Messages
- 244
OK, so sarcasm and irony are lost here. Never mind, I'll play.
Third page from the first link you provided:
You state:
So who built the motor now, 3V Performance or your shop?
It seems you've done the cam and block.
Not that it really matters since it's hardly a street motor:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM2_4AAIGCM&feature=player_embedded[/ame]
But since you keep comparing apples to oranges let me give you an opportunity to beat your drum a little longer;
I will now try to be nice again;
What solid roller cam would you recommend me:
Aluminum heads 64 cc chambers 210 cc runners intake flow 258 @ 500 exh. 193 @ 500
2000-5500 dual plane intake
Q-jet carb
10.4 compression
700R4 transmission
3.08 final gear ratio (for now, maybe 3.55 later)
and would you recommend I run a rev kit yes or no.......
Third page from the first link you provided:
You state:
So who built the motor now, 3V Performance or your shop?
It seems you've done the cam and block.
Not that it really matters since it's hardly a street motor:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM2_4AAIGCM&feature=player_embedded[/ame]
But since you keep comparing apples to oranges let me give you an opportunity to beat your drum a little longer;
I will now try to be nice again;
What solid roller cam would you recommend me:
Aluminum heads 64 cc chambers 210 cc runners intake flow 258 @ 500 exh. 193 @ 500
2000-5500 dual plane intake
Q-jet carb
10.4 compression
700R4 transmission
3.08 final gear ratio (for now, maybe 3.55 later)
and would you recommend I run a rev kit yes or no.......
CNC BLOCKS
Well-known member
Tom at 3-V Performance did the porting on the big chief heads, Chris Straub supplied the 55 MM roller cam and .904 lifters.
We did all the machine work to the block and assembled it at my shop only took 8 months to do that one but it seems to run good.
Here are some pics of the build.
On your cam I would give Tim Goolsby a call at Ultradyne/Bullet cams a call 800-342-6593 as he is a good guy on specing out a good cam for your build and it a bundle of knowledge tell him Carl told you to call. If you have to wait to talk to him its worth the wait.
There lifters they use are Morels which we prefer as they seem to be closer to the GM size OEM lifters as we have found the ISKY and Crowers seem to be under size and with the GM size lifter bores you may end up around .003 plus oil clearance.
Who's heads are you running?
Imo Apita
Well-known member
- Joined
- Feb 28, 2009
- Messages
- 244
That is one bad-ass motor Carl.
I have Morel roller lifters already, so I guess that's a good thing.
Thanks for the Ultradyne number, I'm going to be crazy busy at work the next couple of weeks but I'll try to get something done.
I've had Skip White's aluminum heads on my list for a while, guess they are Procomp
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SBC-...ptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Not sure if I should go for the 190-ies or the 210's. Need to give him a call also.
Open for other options but the budget limit for heads is $850. Be gentle now....:club:
I have Morel roller lifters already, so I guess that's a good thing.
Thanks for the Ultradyne number, I'm going to be crazy busy at work the next couple of weeks but I'll try to get something done.
I've had Skip White's aluminum heads on my list for a while, guess they are Procomp
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SBC-...ptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Not sure if I should go for the 190-ies or the 210's. Need to give him a call also.
Open for other options but the budget limit for heads is $850. Be gentle now....:club:
CNC BLOCKS
Well-known member
That one head we will not use or let in the shop as their materail is not the greatest compared to Dart, Bodix or AFR and either is their machine work.
If you go with those heads make sure you go through spring pressures and installed heghts and look them over real good.
Here are some threads we did on the Procomp block which turned out to be a POS Its a lot of reading.
http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17747&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
This link is the final probing and material make up of that block and whats interesting it took PBM along time to admit it was from china.
http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18095&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
