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How about taking a couple of stabs and jabs at religion?

Tithings? 10% of your income goes to the Church? WTF?

Let me stuff some cotton in my cheeks and say "I am going to make you an offer, you can't refuse..... give me 10% of everything you earn and I'll guarantee you everlasting life in eternity. And if you don't your crops will wither in the fields...." :bonkers:
 
I'll let Gene lead this thread. I know a no win scenario when I see one.
 
The church used to be the charity and 10% was voluntary, now the gov takes it from you, no option.
 
The church used to be the charity and 10% was voluntary, now the gov takes it from you, no option.

Give to united way, and other similar groups, and it's tax deductible, I dunno about church giving.....suspect not....

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The church used to be the charity and 10% was voluntary, now the gov takes it from you, no option.

Charity as long as you pretend to believe in Jesus and once the megachurch is paid, check the Sikh to see what's real charity.
Voluntary? So why do I read reports of family taking loans to pay the church taxes and avoid being single out by the community.

If USA is taken out of the datas, the pattern is always the same, wherever education level rises, le "religiousness" level plummet.
Religiously speaking, you guys are quiet strange creatures.

You know what scares me much more than traditional religions? Scientology :hunter::mad:
 
United Way? So that a full 8% of their millions of dollars of donations can go to charities of their choice?



(From the Loveland Reporter Herald, although the font & all don't come through)


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United Way sets record, agencies get less
$7.9 million raised, but tiny slice finds its way to nonprofit service providers
By Tom Hacker Reporter-Herald Staff Writerreporterherald.com
Posted: 05/31/2012 09:53:14 PM MDT


If the level of charitable giving is a reliable economic indicator, as some economists say, then the record $7.9 million banked by the United Way of Larimer County this year might tell us the recession is over.

But of that amount, just $620,000 -- less than 8 percent of the total -- found its way to nonprofit organizations in Northern Colorado, including those in Loveland that struggle to provide services.

And, many of the agencies that serve the homeless, disabled, elderly and other people most at risk in the still-fragile economy have had their United Way allocations slashed by half or more this year compared to last.

"I was incredibly discouraged," said Lori Daigle, executive director of the Alliance for Suicide Prevention of Larimer County. "We were told from the beginning that there would be about $1 million available for the grants. We were later called to a meeting and told it would be closer to $600,000."

Daigle's agency relies on United Way funding for a small percentage of its $97,000 annual budget. Last year, the grant was $8,000. This year, she learned this week, it would be $5,000.

'Something's Not Right'

"Disheartening is the word that best describes how I feel," Daigle said. "It feels like something's not right with my community family."

Haves, Have Nots
Many nonprofit agencies funded through the United Way of Larimer County received bad news this week about their 2012 grant awards, despite a record $7.9 million fundraising year by the United Way. Here is a sampling of some of the hardest hit, and their awards this year compared to last.

Sexual Assault Victim Advocate Center (victim services)

2011: $31,900

2012: $16,000

Alternatives to Violence (victim services)

2011: $23,000

2012: $10,710

Disabled Resource Services

2011: $57,0002012: $10,000

House of Neighborly Service

2011: $77,000

2012: $51,800

Crossroads Safehouse

2011: $78,000

2012: $38,500


United Way of Larimer County president and CEO Gordan Thibedeau said the decline in grant awards to the grass-roots nonprofit agencies in the county was the result of changes in the way people give.

More of them are electing to designate their United Way gifts to specific agencies, including many well outside the community.

"It's a national phenomenon," Thibedeau said. "If the trends in designations continue, the number we have available for allocations will continue to fall. Each year, it becomes less."

Frustration among those who manage service agencies funded through the United Way stems not just from the decline in grant awards, but from the way the grant program was handled this year.

The $1 Million Number

It starts with the $1 million forecast that the United Way gave its partner agencies when the current year's grant cycle began. That number gave the agencies at least an inkling of how their requests might fare during the process.

Thibedeau denies that the agency directors were told how big the pie would be before it was sliced.

"I think there might have been some miscommunication," he said. "We have these volunteer panels that monitor the grants. But I can assure you I never said, nor did anyone on my staff, that $1 million would be available."

But a widely distributed email to agency directors during the grant process spelled out the United Way's expectations.

"United Way anticipates investing approximately $1,000,000 annually through this grant program," Darcy McClure, the United Way's vice president of community investment, wrote in the December message.

"The numbers tell us that some difficult decisions are in the works, and not every applicant will be awarded funding."

Not So Neighborly

Some of Loveland's bedrock service agencies, including the House of Neighborly Service, were hard-hit with cuts this year. HNS received slightly more than $77,000 in 2011, and executive director Glorie Magrum said she learned this week the 2012 award would be $51,800.

"It's about a 40 percent cut," Magrum said. "But what was the biggest shock for me was the amount they raised -- the $7.9 million figure."

Thibedeau said the largest share of the United Way's 2012 receipts, about half, would go toward broader initiatives that the agency itself has launched, apart from the work of its nonprofit "community impact partners," as the agency calls groups like Magrum's and Daigle's.

Multi-Year Programs

The United Way's long-term projects "have the focus on cutting poverty in Larimer County by half by 2025," Thibedeau said. "I can't tell you how much I'd love to have another $2 million going to the agencies. ... But we're taking that long-term approach.

Both Magrum and Daigle said the intent behind the new projects was worthy, but that the money spent there would leave gaps in funding that smaller agencies are ill-equipped to plug.

"It's almost as if we're now competing with the United Way for dollars," Magrum said. "It's going to be challenging for a lot of the nonprofits to compete with another big organization and their new programs. ... The United Way has worked very hard over the years to build support in Loveland, and it's going to be very hard to preserve that."

Tom Hacker can be reached at 669-5050, ext. 521, or [email protected].

Copyright 2012 Loveland Reporter-Herald. All rights reserved.
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We could throw the United Way CEO in Sherrif Genes new prison. Him and Sherrif Joe are cut from the same cloth.:hunter::hunter::hunter:
 
I wouldn't give shit to united way...they play ads here on the radio in English and Spanish about doing your income taxs for free and how they will get you your (un) earned income tax return.....fuck that.

Helping people needs to be voluntary. When some one chooses to help you, you are grateful and the person helping feels good too. When you are forced to pay for others you are pissed about it and for the people on the receiving end, the help is never enough. All charity should be private and not get gov funding and the gov should get out of the welfare business.
 
10% of your income goes to the Church? WTF?

Who is holding a gun to your head? Now take the forced "religion" of the .gov and uncle Sam definetly has a gun to your head.

Be reasonable. Defense department, fire department, police department, roads, bridges, ...all that shit isn't gonna happen on charity. Some taxation is a necessary evil, and that's the truith.
 
10% of your income goes to the Church? WTF?

Who is holding a gun to your head? Now take the forced "religion" of the .gov and uncle Sam definetly has a gun to your head.

Be reasonable. Defense department, fire department, police department, roads, bridges, ...all that shit isn't gonna happen on charity. Some taxation is a necessary evil, and that's the truith.

I agree and I disagree.
I was audited a few years back. They found a minor discrepancy for FY 2005. The error was a few hundred dollars. The penalties and interest was a few thousand. During the audit the state asked ME for an extension, explaining that they exceeded their time allowance. I wanted to say no but my accountant informed me that if I did that, they would prosecute me based on a worst case scenario, that I HAD to let them finish. In the end they made my life a living hell for almost 9 months and got less than $3,000 from me. WHAT A FUCKING WASTE OF TIME AND EFFORT, BOTH THEIRS AND MINE, FOR SUCH A SMALL RETURN!!!
NOW I don't want them in my pocket AT ALL. I work for my fucking money and I struggle to get by. I have not had health insurance in over 6 years. Do you think I want to pony up 25% of what I make for the .gov to mismanage? FUCK THAT SHIT. And if I don't play by their rules they can seize all of my assets? FUCK THAT SHIT TOO!!! Now I am afraid to put my money in the bank. My Uncle Sam, the rootin' tootin' six gun shootin' asswipe who stacks the laws in his favor sonofabitch might take it all away.
Here come the DRONES too..... 20,000 of the mf'er's by 2020
They are looking for me and my money, what little I have left....:hunter:

Now they are generating income with red light cameras. $85.00 a pop and no points, just fucking pay it. What a cash cow for the townships!

You want to worry about Mexico?

Fuck that shit (did I say that already?) WE need to worry about BIG BROTHER here at home.
The next time you whip it out to drain it the .gov will know exactly what the angle of the dangle is and what temp. it is and if you shake it more than three times when you are done. Because as we all know, if you shake it more than three times, you are playing with it and that might be seen as a crime....:hunter: The drones are coming to take me away HA HA, they're coming to take me away! Where IS Gene when you need him? They can take us both!

OK - I am out of breath, I need to rest for a minute before I continue.:surrender:
 
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10% of your income goes to the Church? WTF?

Who is holding a gun to your head? Now take the forced "religion" of the .gov and uncle Sam definetly has a gun to your head.

Be reasonable. Defense department, fire department, police department, roads, bridges, ...all that shit isn't gonna happen on charity. Some taxation is a necessary evil, and that's the truith.

To some degree yes...but the things you listed aren't charity. Charity is all the services of the gov that I don't use.

Property owners pay for a big chunk of the road through special assessments. Speaking of property tax. Property tax on a 1.3 million dollar commercial property here in MN is 75k a year.
 
10% of your income goes to the Church? WTF?

Who is holding a gun to your head? Now take the forced "religion" of the .gov and uncle Sam definetly has a gun to your head.

Be reasonable. Defense department, fire department, police department, roads, bridges, ...all that shit isn't gonna happen on charity. Some taxation is a necessary evil, and that's the truith.

You must admit it is pretty sad when charities foccus so much on helping people get the government help/money rather than providing actual help.

Anyone else remember Obamas plan to limit the tax write off to all charities....he said the gov would make up the difference by giving more tax dollars to charities (of thier choice)....wtf. And before you jump on me about Bush's faith based initiative funded, by tax dollars, I don't agree with that either.
 
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