While we are talking politics...

[big2bird]

10% of your income goes to the Church? WTF?

Who is holding a gun to your head? Now take the forced "religion" of the .gov and uncle Sam definetly has a gun to your head.

Be reasonable. Defense department, fire department, police department, roads, bridges, ...all that shit isn't gonna happen on charity. Some taxation is a necessary evil, and that's the truith.

You must admit it is pretty sad when charities foccus so much on helping people get the government help/money rather than providing actual help.

Yep.

 

[mrvette]

10% of your income goes to the Church? WTF?

Who is holding a gun to your head? Now take the forced "religion" of the .gov and uncle Sam definetly has a gun to your head.

Be reasonable. Defense department, fire department, police department, roads, bridges, ...all that shit isn't gonna happen on charity. Some taxation is a necessary evil, and that's the truith.

You must admit it is pretty sad when charities foccus so much on helping people get the government help/money rather than providing actual help.

Yep.

Comes down to how many layers of effing .gov we NEED to pull off a simple project.....and how much we need PAY those underworked water cooler leaning bastards to watch porn on .gov computers all day....seriously....

anyone have ANY clue about how badly managed our .gov IS??? really???

seriously??? it's beyond Beyondo (Jay Leno skit on TV).....

ALL large organizations are guilty of it, but the sheer SIZE of our .gov dictates by default, that it's UNworkable.....

GOD help us if the UN gets any serious authority.....

 

[big2bird]

That reminds me Gene. Have you returned your SS checks out of principal yet? Just curious.

 

[denpo]

... Charity is all the services of the gov that I don't use...

I often heard the expression "got mine, fuck you" to describe American harcore conservator mentality. Isn't was you're just saying?
You're really scaring me sometimes(?)

 

[68L71]

... Charity is all the services of the gov that I don't use...

I often heard the expression "got mine, fuck you" to describe American harcore conservator mentality. Isn't was you're just saying?
You're really scaring me sometimes(?)

I take that back, since I have no choice, but to participate in SS/Medicare I pay in, and maybe some day I will collect. If I could opt out, I would for sure.

And since I wasn't very specific, I don't get service from the gov beyond the things Jeff listed.

I am not saying people shouldn't be helped I am saying the government shouldn't be the one to do it. I see the government as a corrupt bully that is more interested in controlling you than helping you. If you think all the hand outs aren't about power and control you need to take off your daisy shades. All these social programs keep the poor, poor.

 

[68L71]

The church used to be the charity and 10% was voluntary, now the gov takes it from you, no option.

Charity as long as you pretend to believe in Jesus and once the megachurch is paid, check the Sikh to see what's real charity.
Voluntary? So why do I read reports of family taking loans to pay the church taxes and avoid being single out by the community.

If USA is taken out of the datas, the pattern is always the same, wherever education level rises, le "religiousness" level plummet.
Religiously speaking, you guys are quiet strange creatures.

You know what scares me much more than traditional religions? Scientology :hunter:

I missed this before, I am not a mormon. I have never heard of people taking loans to pay my church. You should know beter than to judge from the outside, live and let live.

 

[mrvette]

That reminds me Gene. Have you returned your SS checks out of principal yet? Just curious.

I tell you what, IF the God DAMNED .gov wanted to do the right thing by it's citizens they COULD have taken maybe 4 weeks to do right by me, and avoid all those years of 'legal' battles over nothing so totally complicated as enforcing a contract on crooked business 'partners'.....

and in doing so they can have my lousy grand a month they taxed my ass over 15% for ~45? years......eff them forever....

fucking Courts not worth a flip.....toooooo bad but I have pages of old documentation that proves MY case....fuck the damn judges....

corrupt up the ass.....don't get me going or I will name names....

like George L. Proctor, and Jerry Funk on the Jax District BK court.....built themselves a nice monument downtown for no reason too.....

William F. Tschanen cock sucker, Douglas Johnson- dead of brain cancer, for all the plots he did over life....I found out on the backside about him.....

Kevin Hester, thief and laugh at you over it....should have slammed his ass into the counter when I had a chance, but my son was with me and he didn't need be involved...mid teens.....or I would have.....the there is Steve Szala who went BK himself just before dieing of throat cancer for all the lies he told....AND his wife.....go figger....cancer too....for THEM? gotta love it....

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

to folks who think I have no sympathy, YOU lose a life's work, see what YOU think, and the .gov had a hand in it too, you betcha'.....courts drag that shit out for 4 years....yeh, right.....

like that trial over that hasan islamic bastard on the Ft. Hood shootings....WHY in FUCK is that bastard still alive??? seriously?? WTF? out back and under the next cell block concrete, ALIVE.....WITH a pig dick shoved down his throat.....

:crutches::crutches::friends:

 

[69427]

... Charity is all the services of the gov that I don't use...

I often heard the expression "got mine, fuck you" to describe American harcore conservator mentality. Isn't was you're just saying?
You're really scaring me sometimes(?)

Would you care to tell us from whom you are often hearing this expression?

 

[turtlevette]

Would you care to tell us from whom you are often hearing this expression?

I've heard it several times.

 

[68L71]

Would you care to tell us from whom you are often hearing this expression?

I've heard it several times.

So those on the take would be saying "give me yours, fuck you"

 

[turtlevette]

Would you care to tell us from whom you are often hearing this expression?

I've heard it several times.

So those on the take would be saying "give me yours, fuck you"

A civilized society should make some allocation for people who have no means. If that's being "on the take" so be it.

 

[mrvette]

MY solution, very simple, NO lawyers should hold public office of ANY kind, unless they resign the Bar Assn, never to return.....

the revolving door between CONNgress and K St. NW Wash DC is just crazy....

time for lawyers to quit being permitted to obfuscate the obvious to the oblivious......:lol::crap:

 

[68L71]

Would you care to tell us from whom you are often hearing this expression?

I've heard it several times.

So those on the take would be saying "give me yours, fuck you"

A civilized society should make some allocation for people who have no means. If that's being "on the take" so be it.

Yes civilized people give from thier own good.....not the good of the government. We can go over and over this, you simply do not have the right to decide how much to take from who.

 

[turtlevette]

Yes civilized people give from thier own good.....not the good of the government. We can go over and over this, you simply do not have the right to decide how much to take from who.

The government certainly does "have the right" and must decide these things to be able to keep the union intact and healthy.

I suppose you would have fought on the rebel side?

Many of these things you and your ilk "wish" are not practical. Not even the most conservative US govenment that ever existed (Reagan, Bush... Washington) would come close to satisfying you people. Living on a compound in Montana is the best you're ever going to be able to do.

Ron Paul is a liberal to you guys. Romney is going to be a huge disappointment to you. He's a Massachusetts Republican = Texas flaming gay liberal.

Bird is much closer and in touch with reality than many of the posters beating up on him here.

 

[mrvette]

Uncle Barry Goldwater was the last honest political critter in DC.....

mark my words on that.....


:crap::crutches:

 

[turtlevette]

Uncle Barry Goldwater was the last honest political critter in DC.....

mark my words on that.:

A liberal no doubt. I bet the German government 1930s vintage didn't give out any stinkin handouts. And as a matter of fact, i think they actually did kill all of the lawyers, PHd's, bankers and gays.

A real man's government.

 

[68L71]

Ron Paul is a liberal to you guys.

Not to me

Romney is going to be a huge disappointment to you.

yes

Bird is much closer and in touch with reality than many of the posters beating up on him here.

No one is beating up on bird

 

[mrvette]

Uncle Barry Goldwater was the last honest political critter in DC.....

mark my words on that.:

A liberal no doubt. I bet the German government 1930s vintage didn't give out any stinkin handouts. And as a matter of fact, i think they actually did kill all of the lawyers.

:sos::sos::lol: YGTBFSM!!! DO a search@@@!!!! Uncle Barry GOLDWATER was the last true conservative, Republican from Arizona, owner maybe founder of Goldwater's Dept stores.....ran for Prez in '64, and lost heavy to the LBJ/communist influence on account of the sympathy vote for the killing of JFK.....JFK proposed all that liberal/commie legislation that was blocked by the Republicans and southern conservatives on FINANCIAL grounds....

BEING that 'social justice' is and ever was a BS argument.....

the society based on productivity, either join the productive club or die, that damn simple.....

but NO, the sympathy vote for the Kennedy programs was passed by the turncoat Johnson and his payoffs in CONNgress....

so the Republicans had no choice but to form some sort of unholy alliance with the southern Democrats in order to keep the liberal/communists/PROGRESSIVES from total power.....

I not brag, but by accident of birth, I got older in the WASH DC area, not MY fault, just was, and by personal observation and tooooo many stories over some 40 cognitive years....I know the facts, those assWHOLES can suck dirt.....

:crap::stirpot::suicide:

 

[denpo]

... Charity is all the services of the gov that I don't use...

I often heard the expression "got mine, fuck you" to describe American harcore conservator mentality. Isn't was you're just saying?
You're really scaring me sometimes(?)

Would you care to tell us from whom you are often hearing this expression?

Sure, its on Reddit, "the front page of the internet".
Lot of young dude, mostly tech-savvy atheist liberals there. That's why you get comment like this one.

For those who don't know, Reddit is a news agregator, user submit link to pretty much anything they want.
Then other user can vote for or against the post, weeding out the irrelevant/innappropriate/boring content.
Once a post is made, all the action is in the comments.
People can up/down vote any comment, and you can branch the comment in anyway you want.
Their post voting system make easy to anyone to make one's point of view heard. Reddit may look biased to some, and it's true you can't always get away with the "hivemind", but generally common sense prevail.
You see a thread that is getting old (10-12h), open its comments and you'll see a the top the actually most interesting thing that could be said.

Good thing is you have "subreddit" dealing with particular subjet, there is one for everyone, from the gun lover conservative to the tree hugger grano.
The front page is just a list of the most voted post, reflecting the majority choice.
Not on the front page, dosen't mean it doesn't exist.

Culturally, this thing is really huge, google huge, it will be there when facebook is long forgotten.
If you don't know reddit, you got to have a look.

 

[turtlevette]

Uncle Barry GOLDWATER was the last true conservative, :

I meant. By your standards a liberal. Did he want to kill all the lawyers and PHd's?