Bad Bird
Well-known member
And bought. I appreciate the help!
C3-Jeep Steering Gear Conversion
- Thread starter BBShark
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And bought. I appreciate the help!
SRountree
Well-known member
BBShark,
I believe I collected the information I need to get this started but I had a couple questions. I may have missed it in your article...
1) is the Jeep box used a 1999-2004 box power steering box?
2) do I have to remove the front clip or any part of the body to install this MOD? I seen something about the bolts used...
3) it appears to have the frame drilled and tapped to tighten the large 3 bolts?
4) what is tapped to tighten the 4 silver bolts?
5) I have a tilt-telescopic column, will I have to modify this too?
Sorry if I missed something but trying to figure this out so I can buy the parts. I am thinking of buying a re-manufacturer gear box from savage but not sure if I need to... I seen a write up about your set up on Corvette Forum compairing to the the Borgeson modified steering box. They say the Borgeson is easier but it cost $670.35 on Amazon. The one on amazon also has a couple specs I am not sure about. (For cars with factory style power steering and a 1"-48 spline column)
I would pay you for your time if you have it.
-Steve
I believe I collected the information I need to get this started but I had a couple questions. I may have missed it in your article...
1) is the Jeep box used a 1999-2004 box power steering box?
2) do I have to remove the front clip or any part of the body to install this MOD? I seen something about the bolts used...
3) it appears to have the frame drilled and tapped to tighten the large 3 bolts?
4) what is tapped to tighten the 4 silver bolts?
5) I have a tilt-telescopic column, will I have to modify this too?
Sorry if I missed something but trying to figure this out so I can buy the parts. I am thinking of buying a re-manufacturer gear box from savage but not sure if I need to... I seen a write up about your set up on Corvette Forum compairing to the the Borgeson modified steering box. They say the Borgeson is easier but it cost $670.35 on Amazon. The one on amazon also has a couple specs I am not sure about. (For cars with factory style power steering and a 1"-48 spline column)
I would pay you for your time if you have it.
-Steve
Steve,
1) is the Jeep box used a 1999-2004 box power steering box? Jeep Grand Cherokee, Correct
2) do I have to remove the front clip or any part of the body to install this MOD? I seen something about the bolts used...Part of the inner wheel well blocks one or two of the bolts. Easy to cut away and glass back in
3) it appears to have the frame drilled and tapped to tighten the large 3 bolts? The frame is not tapped
4) what is tapped to tighten the 4 silver bolts? The adapter plates are tapped 7/16-20
5) I have a tilt-telescopic column, will I have to modify this too? The shaft has to be knocked back in
1) is the Jeep box used a 1999-2004 box power steering box? Jeep Grand Cherokee, Correct
2) do I have to remove the front clip or any part of the body to install this MOD? I seen something about the bolts used...Part of the inner wheel well blocks one or two of the bolts. Easy to cut away and glass back in
3) it appears to have the frame drilled and tapped to tighten the large 3 bolts? The frame is not tapped
4) what is tapped to tighten the 4 silver bolts? The adapter plates are tapped 7/16-20
5) I have a tilt-telescopic column, will I have to modify this too? The shaft has to be knocked back in
denpo
Carburated Nihilist
I do think the price is a good bang for the buck.
Price-wise, you got to compare them to a rebuilt steering box, not a junkyard unit because this what they are, blueprinted Jeep box.
Add to that the price of the pitman arm...
I think you can find the Borgeson for cheaper, I've seen it sold without the accessories for 5 hundred something.
It would have been the right choice for me if I knew at the time, because as I put an hydroboost I had to make custom line anyway, and I went for a U-joint instead of the supplied ragjoint.
Bad Bird
Well-known member
Anyone here seen this part?
http://www.ridetech.com/store/c2-c3-corvette-1967-1982-power-steering-box-reinforcement.html
It's a reinforcement plate for the Borgeson box.
http://www.ridetech.com/store/c2-c3-corvette-1967-1982-power-steering-box-reinforcement.html
It's a reinforcement plate for the Borgeson box.
mrvette
Phantom of the Opera
For ME with 255/50/17 tires on front, and a rack install I did myself, the addition of a cross support between the upper control arms made one HELL of a difference......:beer:
denpo
Carburated Nihilist
I just ordered one. If it really stops my steering box from flexing about the frame, is an cheap fix.
Bad Bird
Well-known member
Be sure to take video and or measurements before and after. :drink:
If this works, it's a good option for the Borgeson box guys.
If this works, it's a good option for the Borgeson box guys.
Bad Bird
Well-known member
So, a forum member "Ignatz" on the CF did a nice test to show the frame flex induced by the integral steering box:
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRYh9aQBQ0U[/ame]
To ensure maximum loading, the car was fitted with 275 Hoosiers and turned lock to lock with the vehicle not moving. A laser point was affixed to the master cylinder to create a base datum point. The box was found to move about 1/4" from lock to lock.
Note that this test was done without the steering box reinforcement plate.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRYh9aQBQ0U[/ame]
To ensure maximum loading, the car was fitted with 275 Hoosiers and turned lock to lock with the vehicle not moving. A laser point was affixed to the master cylinder to create a base datum point. The box was found to move about 1/4" from lock to lock.
Note that this test was done without the steering box reinforcement plate.
Sam Cogley
Well-known member
Well, it's nice to know that I wasn't crazy when I noticed that flex.
mrvette
Phantom of the Opera
On the above video, did that car have a cross support between the upper A arms??? or not....
at any rate 1/4 inch movement is not much, IMO....
at any rate 1/4 inch movement is not much, IMO....
That kind of movement is just asking for frame fatigue. Anything to beef this up would be an improvement. I've seen truck frames with cracks due to the flex where the steering box mounts to the frame. If I end up with a Borgeson swap at some point, I'll be beefing up the frame mounts in the process.
Bad Bird
Well-known member
The question is, is the entire frame rail twisting? Is the rail rail "pancaking"?
If I ever do choose to run a Borgeson box, I would like to repeat the same test in a number of conditions:
1) As installed.
2) With spreader bar.
3) As 2), but with steering ram frame hole welded over as per the Power Book.
4) As 3), but with the RideTech reinforcement plate.
1/4" movement should be no problem for the steel the rail is constructed of, but I have concerns about the welds cracking...
If I ever do choose to run a Borgeson box, I would like to repeat the same test in a number of conditions:
1) As installed.
2) With spreader bar.
3) As 2), but with steering ram frame hole welded over as per the Power Book.
4) As 3), but with the RideTech reinforcement plate.
1/4" movement should be no problem for the steel the rail is constructed of, but I have concerns about the welds cracking...
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mrvette
Phantom of the Opera
I have read all sorts of stories about how these frames can be welded/built up by a steady bead of welding the entire length of the frame rails.....
I have only my own experience to go by, and if the rack works the way I have it mounted with the same essential forces on the frame rail as the Jeep box....
and it hardly moves with the cross support, that came along later in the progression of my project.....I question just how critical these comments are, in reality....slap in a cross support and call it a day....the frames are not GOLD, but jeebus......:surrender::thumbs:
I have only my own experience to go by, and if the rack works the way I have it mounted with the same essential forces on the frame rail as the Jeep box....
and it hardly moves with the cross support, that came along later in the progression of my project.....I question just how critical these comments are, in reality....slap in a cross support and call it a day....the frames are not GOLD, but jeebus......:surrender::thumbs:
Bad Bird
Well-known member
The spreader bar will do little to stop the rail twisting or pancaking at the steering box.
Another CF member (danc24) has done the same test as member Ignatz, before and after the installation of the steering box brace.
Before:
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8uk2WfoBDo[/ame]
After:
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEehVnQ6OIY[/ame]
The results are actually more significant that I expected. The brace does a really good job of controlling the flex at the steering box.
Another CF member (danc24) has done the same test as member Ignatz, before and after the installation of the steering box brace.
Before:
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8uk2WfoBDo[/ame]
After:
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEehVnQ6OIY[/ame]
The results are actually more significant that I expected. The brace does a really good job of controlling the flex at the steering box.
Tyancey00
Member
this looks like it is on my winter "to do" list. I have a lot of frame flex. Seems like a good time to pull the box and check the insides as well. It has been on the car some time now and was bought used...
Sliver
New member
So on a 72 C3 with RP I need a non power front steering link to complete the jeep box conversion?
